Christian2002 6 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, Redtiger said: I'm really sorry, but can you just call them "they"? Well I didn’t think they made that much sense there’s only one person. So saying he I thought made more sense. And I didn’t know that or anything. Alex62, Brittanybunny, Ranpalan and 3 others 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment
Bombality 2,907 Posted November 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) Day 19 (also since at least one person wants to know this: if you can't refer to them as... well them, because you feel it's gramatically incorrect, you may refer to them as "she") Edited November 20, 2022 by Bombality (see edit history) Lyonsheart, Redtiger, ola93 and 5 others 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment
Christian2002 6 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Bombality said: Day 19 (also since at least one person wants to know this: if you can't refer to them as... well them, because you feel it's gramatically incorrect, you may refer to them as "she") Ok. Thank you. I was wondering what gender it was. And was a woman all along so it’s a she. And yeah one of them said I had to call it they, but thankfully now I can call it she now. LOLC2k, ola93, Ishimura and 8 others 3 8 Quote Link to comment
Bombality 2,907 Posted November 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Christian2002 said: Ok. Thank you. I was wondering what gender it was. And was a woman all along so it’s a she. And yeah one of them said I had to call it they, but thankfully now I can call it she now. Ok, I was just trying to be nice and assume that you only wanted to avoid using "they" because you thought that it was bad grammar to do so, not that you just wanted to find out if they were a man/woman. I'm not going to stop you because I'm too much of a coward, just know that I'm disappointed. boberdebob, Lyonsheart, PrinceOfThePee and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment
Comet64 509 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Christian2002 said: Ok. Thank you. I was wondering what gender it was. And was a woman all along so it’s a she. And yeah one of them said I had to call it they, but thankfully now I can call it she now. Do- do you have something against using they/them ? It's not that fucking hard- Also, did you seriously use "IT" ? Edited November 20, 2022 by Cyross (see edit history) LOLC2k, Antispam, PrinceOfThePee and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment
Guest Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 The fact that so much chaos is happening because Bomb decided that [Insert Name] should be non-binary is ridiculous Quote Link to comment
SecretPerson 287 Posted November 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Christian2002 said: Ok. Thank you. I was wondering what gender it was. And was a woman all along so it’s a she. And yeah one of them said I had to call it they, but thankfully now I can call it she now. Hi there @Christian2002, I want to jump in and explain something to you about why people are asking you to use the word "they" to refer to this character. I can't blame you for not knowing, because everybody learns at some point, but the stuff I'm about to say is important to understand in order to avoid accidentally being disrespectful to certain groups of people. First, I'm going to guess that you haven't encountered the concept of trans people before. The word "trans" is short for "transgender", and it refers to any person who has a strong internal sense that their natural body is the wrong sex. So, somebody who looks outwardly like a man and has a penis, but who feels that they should have born as a woman, or that they are a woman's mind trapped inside a male body, is transgender. And somebody who looks outwardly like a woman and has a vagina, but who feels that they should have been born as a man, or that they are a man's mind trapped inside a female body, is also transgender. The feeling of being mismatched can be very intense and very unpleasant, and to make things worse, historically speaking, trans people often aren't believed when they say they feel the way they do. When talking about a trans person, it is considered polite to refer to them based on how they feel, rather than how they look. So, when talking about a person who has a penis but says they feel like a woman, you should refer to them as a woman and use the words "she" and "her", and when talking about a person who has a vagina but says they feel like a man, you should refer to them as a man and use the words "he" and "him". It's often jarring for trans people when they are referred to based on how they look rather than how they feel, the same way it would be jarring for you if someone referred to you incorrectly. By using the pronouns that a person prefers, you are symbolically saying "I care more about your mind than your body". The character in this series of artworks is also trans, but in a different way. They are nonbinary, which means they have an internal sense that they are neither a man nor a woman. In most cases, nonbinary people find it jarring to be referred to as either "he" or "she", and to address this situation, people in the last few decades have started using the words "they" and "them" for this purpose. At first it may seem strange/wrong to refer to a singular person as "they", but the same thing I said before about respect and symbolism applies to this case as well: by doing it the way the person prefers, you are telling them that you understand and that you care. It sounded ungrammatical to me at first too, but after doing it for a while, it started to sound completely natural. One final note: In some contexts, it's necessary to refer to a person's physical sex, i.e., whether they have XX chromosomes and a vagina or XY chromosomes and a penis. In this case, the terms "AFAB" and "AMAB" are used. These are acronyms that stand for "Assigned Female At Birth" and "Assigned Male At Birth". So, the person in this comic series is nonbinary and is also AFAB (which is often just written as "AFAB nonbinary"). I hope all this is clear enough to understand. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them. Also, @Bombality, this series is really hot and I'm exited to see where it goes 😊 DailyDiabetes, gottliebeln, soo-pis-sed and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment
ola93 415 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 hour ago, SecretPerson said: In most cases, nonbinary people find it jarring to be referred to as either "he" or "she", and to address this situation, people in the last few decades have started using the words "they" and "them" for this purpose. At first it may seem strange/wrong to refer to a singular person as "they", but the same thing I said before about respect and symbolism applies to this case as well: by doing it the way the person prefers, you are telling them that you understand and that you care. It sounded ungrammatical to me at first too, but after doing it for a while, it started to sound completely natural. While I wholehartedly agree with you on the way people can feel about being addressed as if their gender were different, I must admit that I'm still dumbfounded how they seems to have become so generally accepted as the preferred genderneutral pronoun. It is a plural. In my opinion things would have worked out way easier if a new pronoun would have been introduced to respectfully and undisputably refer to a single person in a gender neutral way. 3 hours ago, Cyross said: Also, did you seriously use "IT" ? Thid may be less weird if you realize English may not be someone's native language. Many - at least European - languages still have a much more recognizable concept of grammatical gender and therefore do have a way to refer to singular, neuter (neither musculine nor feminine) words. That English word that comes closest to that, seems to be it. And it is - as far as I know - only in English where such a word cannot refer to a word refering to a person. So to many people speaking different languages natively (like me), "it" feels like a much more sensible way to refer to a singular person (or object) without a specified gender. In fact, it makes more sense to me. It 's only because I heared that in English there seems to be concensus to use 'they' instead that I understand people ask to be refer to in that, but while there is no actual word to specifically refer to a singular, gender neutral person, "it" really feels like it should have been the proper word to refer to these people. So when someone who is not a native speaker says that, I consider it much more likely that they don't know better and actually try to do what seems best than that this should be considered an insult like it may feel like to a native English speaker. Quote Link to comment
Ishimura 24 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 I feel like the point of using 'they' as a gender neutral pronoun is because it's already so naturally part of how we speak. The singular use of they may seem a bit strange but if you think about it a bit more it's a pretty common way to use the word. For example, the sentence 'Ask someone if they could help' should be easy to understand and straightforward. Not a random example, by the way, that was the example sentence under the definition of they reading: "used to refer to a person of unspecified gender". So if you're saying 'they' is only plural I don't know what you're basing that on, because it's not the definition of the word. Also briefly looking at Wikipedia would suggest the singular use of 'they' has been around in English since the 14th century so I'm betting we've all run across it. It is totally valid to bring up that non-English speakers may have a harder time with this and that it may not be so intuitive. So it would be good to avoid getting too angry at people over things. There's rarely any benefit to getting angry at people over stuff online anyway. Lets just calmly inform people and move on. So, for example, 'it' may feel more intuitive but it's also the incorrect word to use in this context. They can be used singularly and has been used that way for a long while in the English language. Can we all agree to that? ProjectOasis42, Kid_Omo and ola93 3 Quote Link to comment
Tentacool 1,385 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Excusethe bad timing on my part but I just really wanted to compliment the character design, I really love how you pulled off that Spikey hair look, Bombality! 😮 ola93 1 Quote Link to comment
Guest Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Tentacool said: Excusethe bad timing on my part but I just really wanted to compliment the character design, I really love how you pulled off that Spikey hair look, Bombality! 😮 I have to agree with you. I like the spikey hair look too. It reminds me of Misty's hair design from Pokemon Black & White 2. Bombality really nail the character design. I'm loving this so far but I feel like nobody's paying too much attention because there's like a mini war in the comments right now. Quote Link to comment
marekmisar 59 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Holy fucking shit, why's everyone writing paragraphs? Antispam 1 Quote Link to comment
Bombality 2,907 Posted November 21, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2022 Day 20 Tentacool, PrinceOfThePee, Homakyusai and 5 others 3 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment
LydiaPrower8 76 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 They should just let go at this point.... ....but where's the fun in that? Quote Link to comment
Feelitflow 87 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 ok there is no way they're going to make it Tentacool 1 Quote Link to comment
Tentacool 1,385 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Feelitflow said: ok there is no way they're going to make it Have you forgotten who's the artist? That bulge will continue to grow, I bet! Quote Link to comment
Bombality 2,907 Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Feelitflow said: ok there is no way they're going to make it 1 hour ago, Tentacool said: Have you forgotten who's the artist? That bulge will continue to grow, I bet! Yeah, if this was following the stages of real life desperation, no way, I would be about to run out of them. However, I can just make more 🙂 Edited November 21, 2022 by Bombality (see edit history) Tentacool 1 Quote Link to comment
Antispam 307 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Eddymb28 said: The fact that so much chaos is happening because Bomb decided that [Insert Name] should be non-binary is ridiculous C H A O S Also rip no sideview Quote Link to comment
Tentacool 1,385 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Antispam said: C H A O S Also rip no sideview Antispam 1 Quote Link to comment
Christian2002 6 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 14 hours ago, Cyross said: Do- do you have something against using they/them ? It's not that fucking hard- Also, did you seriously use "IT" ? Of course not. Also please don’t curse at me. I don’t like cursing. I never do that. 12 hours ago, Eddymb28 said: The fact that so much chaos is happening because Bomb decided that [Insert Name] should be non-binary is ridiculous Yeah, I know right. Quote Link to comment
Comet64 509 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Christian2002 said: Of course not. Also please don’t curse at me. I don’t like cursing. I never do that. Yeah, I know right. Sorry for cursing. It's just that I've seen so many people being horrible to trans characters I kinda jumped into conclusion, and I apologize for that. Edited November 21, 2022 by Cyross (see edit history) Christian2002 1 Quote Link to comment
Christian2002 6 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Cyross said: Sorry for cursing. It's just that I've seen so many people being horrible to trans characters I kinda jumped into conclusion, and I apologize for that. It’s ok. Quote Link to comment
Kid_Omo 196 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 It just occurred to me. Are we sure they're still drinking the required amount of water? I'd imagine careful movements would slow that down. But we don't want them to get dehydrated. ola93, Ishimura, Antispam and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
ola93 415 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 17 hours ago, Ishimura said: I feel like the point of using 'they' as a gender neutral pronoun is because it's already so naturally part of how we speak. The singular use of they may seem a bit strange but if you think about it a bit more it's a pretty common way to use the word. For example, the sentence 'Ask someone if they could help' should be easy to understand and straightforward. Not a random example, by the way, that was the example sentence under the definition of they reading: "used to refer to a person of unspecified gender". So if you're saying 'they' is only plural I don't know what you're basing that on, because it's not the definition of the word. I based that on totally not thinking about examples like this and never realizing there actually is more singular use of they in English. Thanks for clarifying. I guess that makes it less odd grammar wise. 3 hours ago, Kid_Omo said: It just occurred to me. Are we sure they're still drinking the required amount of water? I'd imagine careful movements would slow that down. But we don't want them to get dehydrated. I sure hope so, or that there is a way for us to remind them. Wouldn't want them to get a headache. Antispam and Ishimura 2 Quote Link to comment
Guest Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Tentacool said: lol Quote Link to comment
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