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I know that you are different from what people who are involved in urophilia have generally been doing, you don't like spycams and stuff.

 

But reciently I was looking for voyeur spycams videos because... Well, I like it, I respect the rules of this site but then I decide searching for womens talking about spycams in Asia and I start to feel weird.

 

They describe people who are on that like; Gross, dirty man, perverts, sick-bastards who deserve to being cut their penis off like the potential rapers they are.

But is not the person what I see when I look at the mirror, I know spycams are gross but still I like to see that, and maybe if you are an active user of this page you can give a idea of why.

 

I don't feel "guilt" but I'm asking your opinion about this.

 

As always in advice; Sorry my bad english.

 

 

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I want to add something more;

Reciently I find a video using titles like; "Spying my GF" and first I thought was; "Okey, one thing is spying stranges, but other is betray the trust of your girlfriend, recording without concent AND also uploading into internet", so my question is; I'm hypocrite for find this crossed line even liking Spycams?

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It is a complicated issue. A long time ago, and when I say a long time ago, I mean decades, I enjoyed just about everything I could find involving peeing/bathrooms/etc.

One note: I never enjoyed anything forced upon anyone. 

One poster / website I was following uploaded a lot of photos of women peeing in the streets - outside of bars, parties, and some in bathrooms. 

A lot of them looked like they were smiling or smiling and flipping off the camera person while spreading legs MORE (multi-shots of same woman) while peeing. I thought this was OK. Why? My (year older) cousin was very open with me and peed for me whenever she felt like it. She also would flip me off at the same time with what I thought was the same grinning expression.

Fetish photos like this were much more rare back then. Each one was a treasure and took forever to download. 

I am not sure when I noticed, but at some point I got the feeling that not all of the women enjoyed it. I started looking at their faces and saw not enjoyment, but terror, violation, harassment.  

And that was not me. I would never, ever want to inflict / force / make a woman feel she HAD to do something that she did not want to do. If she was not 100% sure - even going on a date, the answer was a hard NO from me. 

I felt sick. I deleted ALL my fetish images, from that site and all others. This was because I wondered if any/all were against the woman's will/consent.

I made me question myself. I never thought of myself as that creepy guy who took photos under the bleachers at school or snuck into locker rooms or lied to get women to have sex. 

I wasn't like those guys I hated. I spent my life trying to protect my friends from those guys. It is called "white knighting" now, but I could not help it. If I knew a guy was a creep, I had to say something. 

I had a lot of female friends. I was the "nice guy", the "brother", and did not get a lot of dates. I got beat up a lot by guys who were angry I "cock-blocked" them.

None of it helped how I felt. Of course, I could not say anything to any female friend about my fetishes - none of them had the same fetish. I probed to see if they did and you can guess, "Hey, I had a classmate who sometimes had to wear a diaper after a hernia operation ... I felt bad for him." The response: "He had to wear a diaper ?!?! ... EWWWWWWWWWW!" 

So, I couldn't say anything about how anything omo turned me on. Not even when my drunk female friends would lose control on the way home from  the bar. 

Your fetish is your fetish. As long as it is consensual it is OK. Some women do like being watched while they are in the bathroom. Hopefully, you can find someone like that.

I guess you are OK as long as you don't like it to be against the person's will.

Also remember there is such thing as role play. Some videos and films are acting.  

 

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2 hours ago, Dunney said:

I agree 100% with Tennyson's post. That's why I don't like Japanese pee and poop porn. There's a very strong thread of humiliation and even brutality running all the way through it.

I know, but still.... I like it somehow.

I don't like rape or things like that, but this thing works different on me.

I'm a bad person?

 

4 hours ago, tennyson said:

It is a complicated issue. A long time ago, and when I say a long time ago, I mean decades, I enjoyed just about everything I could find involving peeing/bathrooms/etc.

One note: I never enjoyed anything forced upon anyone. 

One poster / website I was following uploaded a lot of photos of women peeing in the streets - outside of bars, parties, and some in bathrooms. 

A lot of them looked like they were smiling or smiling and flipping off the camera person while spreading legs MORE (multi-shots of same woman) while peeing. I thought this was OK. Why? My (year older) cousin was very open with me and peed for me whenever she felt like it. She also would flip me off at the same time with what I thought was the same grinning expression.

Fetish photos like this were much more rare back then. Each one was a treasure and took forever to download. 

I am not sure when I noticed, but at some point I got the feeling that not all of the women enjoyed it. I started looking at their faces and saw not enjoyment, but terror, violation, harassment.  

And that was not me. I would never, ever want to inflict / force / make a woman feel she HAD to do something that she did not want to do. If she was not 100% sure - even going on a date, the answer was a hard NO from me. 

I felt sick. I deleted ALL my fetish images, from that site and all others. This was because I wondered if any/all were against the woman's will/consent.

I made me question myself. I never thought of myself as that creepy guy who took photos under the bleachers at school or snuck into locker rooms or lied to get women to have sex. 

I wasn't like those guys I hated. I spent my life trying to protect my friends from those guys. It is called "white knighting" now, but I could not help it. If I knew a guy was a creep, I had to say something. 

I had a lot of female friends. I was the "nice guy", the "brother", and did not get a lot of dates. I got beat up a lot by guys who were angry I "cock-blocked" them.

None of it helped how I felt. Of course, I could not say anything to any female friend about my fetishes - none of them had the same fetish. I probed to see if they did and you can guess, "Hey, I had a classmate who sometimes had to wear a diaper after a hernia operation ... I felt bad for him." The response: "He had to wear a diaper ?!?! ... EWWWWWWWWWW!" 

So, I couldn't say anything about how anything omo turned me on. Not even when my drunk female friends would lose control on the way home from  the bar. 

Your fetish is your fetish. As long as it is consensual it is OK. Some women do like being watched while they are in the bathroom. Hopefully, you can find someone like that.

I guess you are OK as long as you don't like it to be against the person's will.

Also remember there is such thing as role play. Some videos and films are acting.  

 

Wow, that was a long reply, I don't had words.

 

That's the normal reaction, deleting everything, but no, I like real spycam stuff, I know is wrong but... I just enjoy it. (Sometimes, of course).

I feel like a dark part of me, I don't know.

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Questions like this are always relevant and important to ask to ourselves.  I ve never feeld bad about my fetish, it does not define who I am; but in past I have feeld alone, before internet and before joining community like this and before seeing how many categories tube galore have and how much various the world is. 

In my opinion I think none should live their life without sexual appagation, always without make somone feel bad. Personally I think that a good fiction could be better than a real life situation , because reality always exceed imagination. Personally I ve spent a lot of money by being a patron and  finance those who works  producing  porn material which I like, and also for first hand experience, Always paying attention to what Oscar Wilde sayed " the satisfaction is the cessation of desires "   

In my opinion that next question is: how mutch my fetish has conditioned my life,  depriving me of the ancestral desire of traditional sex aimed at procreation ?

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In terms of what porn I consume, then no. I'm not particularly turned on by spycams or women peeing in toilets, so thankfully I don't have to get involved in that moral dilemma. I do like outdoor voyeur videos, though. which is definitely a moralistically grey area. It's not worth going down the legal rabbit-hole on this, but broadly speaking I do subscribe to the viewpoint that most of these videos are an intrusion on privacy. If anything, that makes them MORE erotic, rather than less. Pushing the boundaries of what is traditionally private is definitely one of the reasons I am into desperation and peeing. Yes, I realise it pushes the boundaries of consent, as well, and that's really not cool.

Does that make me feel bad at a pornography level? No. It's definitely shady to shoot these videos, but it's not illegal to watch them, and I obviously don't know any of the women involved, so the guilt feelings over consent and voyeurism are pretty minimal.

It's when this spills over into real life that it becomes a potential issue. If I am with a non-consenting female friend who needs to pee, it is my base impulse to encourage her to do so, even if it's outside of her comfort zone. It's reasonably easy to pass this off as chivalry or solicitousness, but of course the reality is that I'd really love to watch her pee. And just occasionally my brain shuts down and I stupidly blurt out something that's a little bit too close to the bone (which is a metaphor, that's also kinda not a metaphor!). Those are the moments that I feel most stupid or guilty about, especially when I've lost a friend or confidante as a result.

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13 hours ago, Hercules300 said:

Questions like this are always relevant and important to ask to ourselves.  I ve never feeld bad about my fetish, it does not define who I am; but in past I have feeld alone, before internet and before joining community like this and before seeing how many categories tube galore have and how much various the world is. 

In my opinion I think none should live their life without sexual appagation, always without make somone feel bad. Personally I think that a good fiction could be better than a real life situation , because reality always exceed imagination. Personally I ve spent a lot of money by being a patron and  finance those who works  producing  porn material which I like, and also for first hand experience, Always paying attention to what Oscar Wilde sayed " the satisfaction is the cessation of desires "   

In my opinion that next question is: how mutch my fetish has conditioned my life,  depriving me of the ancestral desire of traditional sex aimed at procreation ?

I'm not an addict and I only feel that guilt "post-nut" thing in my adolescence, but yasterday was thinking about spycams.

 

2 hours ago, BB1BBB said:

In terms of what porn I consume, then no. I'm not particularly turned on by spycams or women peeing in toilets, so thankfully I don't have to get involved in that moral dilemma. I do like outdoor voyeur videos, though. which is definitely a moralistically grey area. It's not worth going down the legal rabbit-hole on this, but broadly speaking I do subscribe to the viewpoint that most of these videos are an intrusion on privacy. If anything, that makes them MORE erotic, rather than less. Pushing the boundaries of what is traditionally private is definitely one of the reasons I am into desperation and peeing. Yes, I realise it pushes the boundaries of consent, as well, and that's really not cool.

Does that make me feel bad at a pornography level? No. It's definitely shady to shoot these videos, but it's not illegal to watch them, and I obviously don't know any of the women involved, so the guilt feelings over consent and voyeurism are pretty minimal.

It's when this spills over into real life that it becomes a potential issue. If I am with a non-consenting female friend who needs to pee, it is my base impulse to encourage her to do so, even if it's outside of her comfort zone. It's reasonably easy to pass this off as chivalry or solicitousness, but of course the reality is that I'd really love to watch her pee. And just occasionally my brain shuts down and I stupidly blurt out something that's a little bit too close to the bone (which is a metaphor, that's also kinda not a metaphor!). Those are the moments that I feel most stupid or guilty about, especially when I've lost a friend or confidante as a result.

I mean, that's my problem, I know is wrong but I give a f*ck how inmoral and illegal, (without rabbit-hole, I make it short; It is illegal if you have doubts).

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There's been a process to it. Originally I just assumed it was one of many ways that my brain was wired differently from everyone else - this would have been back in high school or thereabouts, quite some time ago. There was no moral or ethical connotation to it, but my childhood and adolescence were both less than ideal and I was in survival mode for a lot of it. I did start to internalize a lot of negativity for anything sexually deviant since I was in a deeply conservative and religious part of the United States, and that stuck with me for a long time even if the politics and church did not.

College was a time of experimentation for me just like many other people, although I did not have the resources or privacy to try anything out that was kink related or adjacent; rather I was digging through the philosophy books at the college library trying to figure out what was going on with me, and while it didn't answer all questions it broadened my horizons enough so that I could find out the answers for myself later.

After college was the low point - I was between jobs and managed to score a house sitting gig to keep a roof over my head and food on the table for a little over half a year. I was isolated from most of my previous support networks and coping mechanisms, especially since the house had no internet. The halfway point of that long night of the soul was when I was actually feeling as if my skill for fixing things was somehow predatory, because I was profiting from another person's misfortune - not even in a profiteering sense of "take advantage of people in need" but rather "if your self worth relies on fixing a problem, then you don't have any context outside of the problem, therefore you are congruent with the problem, therefore you ARE the problem" or at least that's the clearest I can express it. Somehow in the middle of that mess I managed to make the logical connection that for a person with a dead battery on the side of the road, another motorist coming along with jumper cables was a godsend, and there was a symmetry to it. That probably seems obvious to most people, but it was not at the time.

Using that as a toehold I eventually managed to rebuild a somewhat positive self image for myself, although that was only possible once my circumstances had changed again and I was able to communicate regularly with my best friend, who was able to act as an outside observer and tell me whenever I was being "really stupid using really smart words" or other such descriptors. This same change in perspective also let me look at what I understood of my sexual predispositions (at the time, since they have evolved considerably since then) and apply the same symmetry to, say, BDSM: If one person gets off on whipping somebody else, and another person gets off on being whipped, then there is the potential for a symmetrical exchange where everybody walks away happy. Likewise, there are those who like to watch others lose control of their bladders, and those who enjoy losing control and either don't mind or actively enjoy being watched when it happens. (The sheer number of user posted videos on this site alone provides ample experimental proof of that theory.)

The irony, which I only recently figured out (in the past three months no less) is that I had taken the long way around for quantifying consent in a kink / fetish context, without ever realizing that was what I was doing. Sort of like the mathematicians who spend 200 pages trying to prove that 1+1=2, which apparently is a much more involved process for pure mathematical theory than it is for most of us just trying to balance our checkbooks. This, in a roundabout way (as seems to be a theme with me) is why I have a tricky time reading stories with explicit non-con elements and flat out can't watch videos where the power dynamic is too blatantly one-sided. This aversion is stronger for stuff involving physical strikes or injury, but spycam voyeurism gets my hackles up too. (Admittedly some of the hackle-raising is a mix of paranoia and empathizing with / projecting onto the person in the video; I start wondering if I'm being watched as well.)

So I come to the point where I'm okay with it, but there are hard lines I can't and won't cross. I think that's the best anyone can hope for in this world.

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At first yes. I felt like a freak when it started to develop this kink in middleschool. Infact I remember going after people on DA back in the day with other fetishes to make myself feel better. I think the main group I targeted was vore but it's all a little fuzzy. I believe I did this to make myself feel better, a sort of "it could always be worse" type mindset. Needless to say I eventually said "fuck it this is who I am" and omo hasn't held me back the way I thought it would. It is a part of me and it will likely stay that way alongside some other kinks I've picked up on my journey of self discovery.

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I’ve never felt bad for liking omo, nor have I ever worried much about being different: I always have and always will function differently from both the neurotypical and the autists (which are the two types of functioning we seem to most accept in society).

I find this fetish is the most responsible way to express my sadomasochism and I’ve generally never turned away from any wetting video made by adults.

 That said there is an exception: I once watched a snuff film where she also happened to wet, I’m like 99% sure it was legit given how it was filmed in one shot. Although it made me horny and I came, afterwards I thought “this is the opposite of how I’m trying to condition myself” and never watched anything like it again. Imo we need to pick where do we get least harm, and as a sexual sadist I consider this fetish a godsend for staying safe and not harming my partner or risk harming her.

 So I’ve never felt guilty or dirty for liking this, mostly I’m proud I’ve found a way to express these urges that is so harmless and easy.

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5 hours ago, SadisticSwitch said:

I’ve never felt bad for liking omo, nor have I ever worried much about being different: I always have and always will function differently from both the neurotypical and the autists (which are the two types of functioning we seem to most accept in society).

I find this fetish is the most responsible way to express my sadomasochism and I’ve generally never turned away from any wetting video made by adults.

 That said there is an exception: I once watched a snuff film where she also happened to wet, I’m like 99% sure it was legit given how it was filmed in one shot. Although it made me horny and I came, afterwards I thought “this is the opposite of how I’m trying to condition myself” and never watched anything like it again. Imo we need to pick where do we get least harm, and as a sexual sadist I consider this fetish a godsend for staying safe and not harming my partner or risk harming her.

 So I’ve never felt guilty or dirty for liking this, mostly I’m proud I’ve found a way to express these urges that is so harmless and easy.

I don't think the neurotypical and autism are the only reason behind fetish.

I'm sure there is "sane" people with fetish, because otherwise we are surrounded with autism.

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1 hour ago, faffef said:

I don't think the neurotypical and autism are the only reason behind fetish.

I'm sure there is "sane" people with fetish, because otherwise we are surrounded with autism.

I never said the cognitive state has anything to do with the fetish. I think the fetish isn’t homogenous and not everyone wants the same things from it as I. That said, I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with this fetish in any way: super safe and easy to clean up :)

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@faffef I know I have felt judged for having this fetish and I do not like to put judgments on other people because we all are different - unless the intent is to harm / hurt or enjoy the real harm/hurt/abuse of others.

If someone wants to be filmed by a spycam and allow others to watch, then that is OK. It is voyeuristic. 

Something like that and enjoying it without bad intent does not make you a bad person. 

As in my personal example, and this is just me, one thing that used to excite me did not once I realised how most of the images were being obtained.

 

NOTE: (I hope I am wording this correctly, if not, please understand I am trying to leave room for people who role play with consent and people who enjoy things like BDSM with full consent and not done to cause permanent harm/damage and enslavement. 

I DO NOT in any way advocate or support abuse and/or loss of personal control of any person(s) rights in any way shape or form. 

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On 10/29/2022 at 8:11 PM, tennyson said:

It is a complicated issue. A long time ago, and when I say a long time ago, I mean decades, I enjoyed just about everything I could find involving peeing/bathrooms/etc.

One note: I never enjoyed anything forced upon anyone. 

One poster / website I was following uploaded a lot of photos of women peeing in the streets - outside of bars, parties, and some in bathrooms. 

A lot of them looked like they were smiling or smiling and flipping off the camera person while spreading legs MORE (multi-shots of same woman) while peeing. I thought this was OK. Why? My (year older) cousin was very open with me and peed for me whenever she felt like it. She also would flip me off at the same time with what I thought was the same grinning expression.

Fetish photos like this were much more rare back then. Each one was a treasure and took forever to download. 

I am not sure when I noticed, but at some point I got the feeling that not all of the women enjoyed it. I started looking at their faces and saw not enjoyment, but terror, violation, harassment.  

And that was not me. I would never, ever want to inflict / force / make a woman feel she HAD to do something that she did not want to do. If she was not 100% sure - even going on a date, the answer was a hard NO from me. 

I felt sick. I deleted ALL my fetish images, from that site and all others. This was because I wondered if any/all were against the woman's will/consent.

I made me question myself. I never thought of myself as that creepy guy who took photos under the bleachers at school or snuck into locker rooms or lied to get women to have sex. 

I wasn't like those guys I hated. I spent my life trying to protect my friends from those guys. It is called "white knighting" now, but I could not help it. If I knew a guy was a creep, I had to say something. 

I had a lot of female friends. I was the "nice guy", the "brother", and did not get a lot of dates. I got beat up a lot by guys who were angry I "cock-blocked" them.

None of it helped how I felt. Of course, I could not say anything to any female friend about my fetishes - none of them had the same fetish. I probed to see if they did and you can guess, "Hey, I had a classmate who sometimes had to wear a diaper after a hernia operation ... I felt bad for him." The response: "He had to wear a diaper ?!?! ... EWWWWWWWWWW!" 

So, I couldn't say anything about how anything omo turned me on. Not even when my drunk female friends would lose control on the way home from  the bar. 

Your fetish is your fetish. As long as it is consensual it is OK. Some women do like being watched while they are in the bathroom. Hopefully, you can find someone like that.

I guess you are OK as long as you don't like it to be against the person's will.

Also remember there is such thing as role play. Some videos and films are acting.  

 

That's church, yo. For real. 

 

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I do not feel bad about this in any way.   Since late elementary school I have enjoyed almost every bit of female Omo and compelling my wife to be a panty freak. VPL. Female desperation etc.  No clue where any of this developed along the way.   I have a normal life with a loving wife and we enjoy four kids.  Regular heterosexual sex.   My wife knows about this fetish from the beginning of our marriage.  Hopefully she will indulge me quite soon.  She has no interest in Omo or anything considered a fetish.  No regrets     

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I've never felt bad about this fetish only that it's not more mainstream so my opportunities to enjoy it or indulge in it aren't as much as I would hope, and I have mostly been on the receiving end of desperation. But I have never done anything that would be considered illegal in pursuit of my fetish, that's where you get into a more difficult area I think.


Spy cams are morally problematic in that way but videos of people who are openly going to the bathroom in public in the broad light of day perhaps less so seeing as those people are being a little bit exhibitionist about it. There's nothing wrong with looking if people do it right in front of you like that, although it does definitely make things awkward. I haven't really witnessed anything right in front of me like that in that regard though so it's never really been an issue for me.

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hell no, wouldn't trade this fetish for anything in the world. I've never really been into spycam stuff and I get off more from female desperation scene in TV shows and movies(or reading them in fictional stories) then I do from watching actual videos of people wetting in real life(though there are certain types I like).

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For me it's just masturbation in general that makes me feel guilty sometimes, but that's only if I do it to much. Otherwise no... but I feel like my situation is different, because most of the porn I look at is either artwork or text (like erotica or whatever). So I'm never worried about seeing a video with a real person in it. But when I do look at live action stuff, I'm certain it's scripted (the acting is always terrible lol).

It's not the fetish, it's what you do with it.

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2 hours ago, Gatto-Italiano said:

For me it's just masturbation in general that makes me feel guilty sometimes, but that's only if I do it to much. Otherwise no... but I feel like my situation is different, because most of the porn I look at is either artwork or text (like erotica or whatever). So I'm never worried about seeing a video with a real person in it. But when I do look at live action stuff, I'm certain it's scripted (the acting is always terrible lol).

It's not the fetish, it's what you do with it.

Again, my true question is if I really must care about what I do with it. Because I don't feel guilty for see a violation of the privacity.

And by the way; Don't feel guilty for masturbate, is silly thinking that is a waste of time or something useless.

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It doesn't bother me to have this fetish, what would bother me is that someone discovers that I have it. How can I explain it without seeming sick and perverted?

Actually, the espionage in the omorashi, especially the Japanese where there is much more content, is usually acted, there is very little authentic voyeur content on popular sites. for example the spy cameras of Japanese women's bathrooms where they all have an accident while trying to lower their panties. Yes, I know that you have also seen some of those videos.

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My fetish is to do with control and loss of control, so if it is the outcome of desperation then I consider it as follows:-

I draw a line for myself - if it looks coercive, then no.

If it looks consensual (a bit cheeky), then ok.

If it's a real-life spying on a natural event, then no.

If it's porn where actors are being paid (making a living) from acting out roles, then yes, but only if there is no aggression involved - humiliation is an act in these circumstances, and is a consequence of loss of control.

Remember that for every video made there is a camera-person recording it - ask yourself how you would feel if it was you behind the camera.

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18 hours ago, blasseroz said:

My fetish is to do with control and loss of control, so if it is the outcome of desperation then I consider it as follows:-

I draw a line for myself - if it looks coercive, then no.

If it looks consensual (a bit cheeky), then ok.

If it's a real-life spying on a natural event, then no.

If it's porn where actors are being paid (making a living) from acting out roles, then yes, but only if there is no aggression involved - humiliation is an act in these circumstances, and is a consequence of loss of control.

Remember that for every video made there is a camera-person recording it - ask yourself how you would feel if it was you behind the camera.

I think I will don't care so much to be honest.

Maybe there is girls who wants to see my pee-pee (Double entrance) and to be honest there is like one million of dicks in the world to believe my body is actually that important.

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