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Why is omorashi shunned by mainstream society?


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I've wondered for some time now, after being randomly kink-shamed on reddit by some unknown guy, why this fetish is one of the more niche, underground ones even though in comparison to most other sex acts it's actually quite benign and not that weird. 

I have some theories as to why.

1. Piss is seen as absolutely revolting by most people. I don't have a piss kink specifically, and I hate the smell. I just like when a hot woman has to go, and yes I would like said hot woman to piss on me right before I take a shower. But I have a feeling most people confuse omorashi with watersports, even though the two can be intertwined as the scenario I just mentioned. And to most people watersports is disgusting. 

2. Having to pee is, innately, not a sexual act. Just like in the same way feet are just a body part we use to walk on the ground with, having to pee is a basic biological function that every walking creature does. So I think that the sexualisation of something non-sexual and to do with waste products is the majority of the grossness people feel. Most people probably look at us like we look at the creepy stranger at a restaurant feeling his dick through his pants as he looks at someone wearing a mini-skirt.

3. The sadism aspect is a turn-off. This point really only applies to people who are not into anything to do with BDSM, or only mild forms of it. I think when most people are first exposed to this, they feel a sense of empathy for the person who has to hold it. I'm not saying we're all psychopaths or something, and I certainly wouldn't want someone to feel the shame of wetting themselves in public, or even alone at home. Then again the humiliation aspect isn't what turns me on about this fetish, so who am I to say anything. But the point is, a person who isnt into this hates the feeling of a full bladder, which even I think is an annoyance. And to imagine someone getting off to the possibility of them peeing themselves must make them feel really revolted.

4. Or they find full bladder desperation funny, which is why the "*insert character* has to pee" trope is so popular in cartoons and shows.

 

What do y'alls think?

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@Dmolisher123

"even though in comparison to most other sex acts it's actually quite benign and not that weird."

Maybe that's precisely why some people are turned off by it. Yes it's definitely not extreme or anything but I think a lot of people look at it and say how do you even consider that to be sexual and they consider that to be weird.


To use an example it seems that a very large number of people who are into this fetish are themselves often asexual or aromantic which is seen as abnormal by mainstream society in and of itself so the idea of being turned on or sexually interested in a full bladder or urine is just seen as another aspect of the strangeness. In a society that is so sex saturated people who are not really into actual sexual intercourse or just prefer something really benign and bland like a full bladder seems strange to most people in mainstream society.

"1. Piss is seen as absolutely revolting by most people. I don't have a piss kink specifically, and I hate the smell. I just like when a hot woman has to go, and yes I would like said hot woman to piss on me right before I take a shower. But I have a feeling most people confuse omorashi with watersports, even though the two can be intertwined as the scenario I just mentioned. And to most people watersports is disgusting."

I think this is a good point and I think that it's largely true words even though urine is sterile people view it as rather disgusting and unhygienic even though it's probably more hygienic than semen and there's no risk of pregnancy besides.


This reminded me of my friend Justin who said that if anyone ever peed on him during sex he would throw them right off of them. He's extremely sexually open-minded and sex positive and believes in chivalry and not treating people badly but he was revolted by the idea of a woman peeing on him during sex is that seemed like his limit.


It was funny because he saw that this really hot girl that he really liked was friends with me on social media and seeing as she lives nowhere near me he had no idea how I possibly knew her as it turns out that it was his college roommate's ex-girlfriend and he sort of had a thing for her and I told him I met her on a kink board and he suddenly got like super excited because he figured that someone like that probably was into something really kinky, but then when I told him that she was into pee his excitement turned to just utter revulsion. So I think I destroyed a fantasy for him when I told him that this girl that he had fantasies about was into peeing.

Also I think even people who are into water sports they probably only like it with people that they find attractive or with specific people. For example I think that most people in the water sports community upon hearing that there was a pee pee tape of Donald Trump probably wanted to vomit and started to question whether they really wanted to be into this fetish anymore because the thought of seeing that videotape was enough to turn anybody celibate! So I think to some degree there is an association with watersports with a lot of people who can be really repulsive like Donald Trump or R Kelly. Some of the people who allegedly have the fetish are not the kind of people you would want to be spokespeople for the fetish and you don't really want to admit that you have the same fetish as those people.

"2. Having to pee is, innately, not a sexual act. Just like in the same way feet are just a body part we use to walk on the ground with, having to pee is a basic biological function that every walking creature does. So I think that the sexualisation of something non-sexual and to do with waste products is the majority of the grossness people feel. Most people probably look at us like we look at the creepy stranger at a restaurant feeling his dick through his pants as he looks at someone wearing a mini-skirt."

While I agree that to most people something like peeing is not a sexual act I do disagree a little bit because I think that because peeing is associated with genitals it does have at least somewhat of a sexual connotation in the mind of most people. They might not find the sexually arousing but the pee comes from the same organs or the same region of the body is the sexual organs. I think even a person who is not into pee if they saw a member of the opposite sex or the sex they were attracted to going to the bathroom they would probably find it a bit of a turn on because they would be associating that with seeing the genitals.

"3. The sadism aspect is a turn-off. This point really only applies to people who are not into anything to do with BDSM, or only mild forms of it. I think when most people are first exposed to this, they feel a sense of empathy for the person who has to hold it. I'm not saying we're all psychopaths or something, and I certainly wouldn't want someone to feel the shame of wetting themselves in public, or even alone at home. Then again the humiliation aspect isn't what turns me on about this fetish, so who am I to say anything. But the point is, a person who isnt into this hates the feeling of a full bladder, which even I think is an annoyance. And to imagine someone getting off to the possibility of them peeing themselves must make them feel really revolted."

This reminds me of what my friend Frank said when I talk to him about this fetish as he remembered being in a long car ride and his family wouldn't stop for a bathroom and he really hated the experience so he didn't know how it could be arousing. And I get where he is coming from on that because even while I have a fetish for desperation it sort of a love-hate relationship seeing as originally I really hated being desperate until I sort of sexualized that I think is a coping mechanism. And I think that a lot of people did develop this fetish sometimes out of trauma, not always, but in a lot of cases so I think in the minds of a lot of people it might be seen as dysfunctional.


As to the sadism aspect I think maybe a lot more people are actually into it because of that and they just don't want to admit it. I think that there are plenty of guys who see a woman squirming around desperate for a pee get off on it a little bit without necessarily even admitting it to themselves that they are turned on by the fact that she has to go to the bathroom. Like I have talked to a lot of guys specifically into this who feel that seeing a woman vulnerable and needing to go to the bathroom like that sort of triggers that natural protective instinct.


And I think that even for a person who is not into pee when somebody has to go to the bathroom and the other person doesn't that it can bring out a little bit of a sadist in people but again they may not see it as sexual but on some level there is a power dynamic going there that sort of replicates the overall power dynamics that go along with most sexual practices.

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Hmm, while all of the reasons might have some truth to them, I think it's much simpler. 

Firstly, I don't believe that our kink is extremely shunned. Most people simply don't have any idea that there are people who like to wet themselves. And most reactions I got when I told people (about 90 -95 %) where disbelief, curiosity and amusement. 

That being said, there will always be people who are disgusted by certain kinks and sexual acts. 

I recently talked to a woman who said that to her, the most disgusting feeling was cum leaking into her underwear. Which took me by surprise, since I've known several women who enjoy it. 

And while I'm aware that it will not be pleasurable for a lot of people, I found the label "most disgusting" to be...out of proportion. But in the end, everybody has their likes and dislikes. 

So I guess it comes done to open mindedness and personal disgust triggers. 

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@LupusCanis88

"Firstly, I don't believe that our kink is extremely shunned. Most people simply don't have any idea that there are people who like to wet themselves. And most reactions I got when I told people (about 90 -95 %) where disbelief, curiosity and amusement."

And that's actually a pretty good point as well, it's just not on most people's radar. It's not so much that people are completely disgusted by it it's just that most people really don't even know it exists as a fetish. I mean I think that Golden showers are a bit mainstream at this point, no pun intended, but I think that omorashi, specifically bladder holding and wetting yourself, are just not fetishes that most people are very aware of at all.


Perhaps it was more mainstream there would be more criticism of it, which is the peril of anything going mainstream, but right now outside of communities like this I think most people haven't even really heard of it. In fact if it weren't for the Internet I would have never realized that my interest in this was actually a sexual fetish.

@The Dark Wolf

"Because people are brainwashed and there's Omorashi Nazis who would have you think pee is on par with necrophilia (when it's not even close)"

Hey corpses need love too! Sorry, I couldn't resist a necrophilia joke LOL.

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41 minutes ago, DesperateJill said:

 

And that's actually a pretty good point as well, it's just not on most people's radar. It's not so much that people are completely disgusted by it it's just that most people really don't even know it exists as a fetish. I mean I think that Golden showers are a bit mainstream at this point, no pun intended, but I think that omorashi, specifically bladder holding and wetting yourself, are just not fetishes that most people are very aware of at all.


Perhaps it was more mainstream there would be more criticism of it, which is the peril of anything going mainstream, but right now outside of communities like this I think most people haven't even really heard of it. In fact if it weren't for the Internet I would have never realized that my interest in this was actually a sexual fetish.

Same for me, I would never have guessed that it's a thing without the Internet. 

Regarding golden showers: A lot of people are surprised that those are not necessarily connected to our kink. More than once I had to explain that I'm not at all into that, as well as the fact that peeing without the clothes does nothing for me. Even on porn sites watersports, scat and wetting are often put in the same category. This is not at all obvious to people outside of the community. And it seems to me that the overlap, at least between watersports and wetting, is occasional at best, but not the norm.

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Something gave me a different notion.  I don't remember what.

During the first half of the 20th century few vaccines had become available.  Good research found contact with body waste contributed to spreading a couple diseases.  Body waste was assumed to be the culprit in all epidemics (Spanish flu, polio, etc, etc ).  Up until the 1950s Avoiding body waste was promoted as the key to avoiding epidemics. 

While body waste turned out to be a culprit in only a few illnesses, its relative safety was not communicated.  So body-waste fear continued as childhood training--generation to generation.  That body waste had been over emphasized was not widely communicated.

 

 

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@LupusCanis88

"Regarding golden showers: A lot of people are surprised that those are not necessarily connected to our kink. More than once I had to explain that I'm not at all into that, as well as the fact that peeing without the clothes does nothing for me. Even on porn sites watersports, scat and wetting are often put in the same category. This is not at all obvious to people outside of the community. And it seems to me that the overlap, at least between watersports and wetting, is occasional at best, but not the norm."

Well again I think that is because people in their minds don't even know that there are that many different subcategories of a kink, they just assume if you are into pee you are into everything pee or scat related. I think while most people have heard of Golden showers or scat porn that most people don't realize that holding is a thing. I mean personally I don't get anything out of the wetting or the pee, to me I'm all about the holding really. But to a person who is not in this community they don't realize that there are so many subcategories of what people are into in regard to it.

@Stanley79

"During the first half of the 20th century few vaccines had become available.  Good research found contact with body waste contributed to spreading a couple diseases.  Body waste was assumed to be the culprit in all epidemics (Spanish flu, polio, etc, etc ).  Up until the 1950s Avoiding body waste was promoted as the key to avoiding epidemics. 

While body waste turned out to be a culprit in only a few illnesses, its relative safety was not communicated.  So body-waste fear continued as childhood training--generation to generation.  That body waste had been over emphasized was not widely communicated."

I think that that is true in general, I mean to have unprotected contact with human bodily fluids I think in most people's cases would not be seen as a sanitary thing. Even people who are into water sports usually will wash off afterwards presumably.


But the connection between sanitation and health I think is fairly clear because until they had indoor plumbing things like cholera and tuberculosis and waterborne illnesses were pretty common, epidemic. I don't think it is a coincidence that as soon as people stop dumping their waste out of the windows into the streets and had indoor plumbing and sanitation that the human lifespan pretty much doubled within a generation or two. I think that we do owe a lot of our modern day health to the fact that we live in a much more sanitary clean environment. We didn't even know about germs until the 1880s I think. Surgeons used to not even wash their hands or wear gloves and even that simple thing was the cause of many deaths through infection.

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21 hours ago, The Dark Wolf said:

Because people are brainwashed and there's Omorashi Nazis who would have you think pee is on par with necrophilia (when it's not even close).

But that's the opposite of what an Omorashi Nazi would do. By the way, did you know that the only reason we Omorashi Nazis didn't take over the world yet is because we can't agree on what you're supposed to wear? The major parties are arguing about jean shorts and cheerleader unifrom, but there's also underground resistance of maid dresses, which I'm a part of. Naturally, subomians will be dressed in school unifroms, because the need a lesson. The Hilfspolizei will get the right to wear tights, everyone else will be restricted to ZR according to their social class.

 

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I don't... really get the impression omorashi is especially shunned compared to other fetishes? It's perhaps not a conversation for polite company, but that pretty much equally true of all fetishes. People have a right not to know every detail about other people's kink life. But the idea that it would be singled out as especially shunned among fetishes is not something I see a lot. In my experience it's not an especially hard sell unless you bring it into a the wrong space - but again that's true of all fetishes.

It's also worth noting that omo is very big, as far as these types of fetishes go. Both in terms of how many people engage with it online, as well as the differences between different niches of omorashi. There are people into omorashi that might as well have a different fetish than me since there are so many different sub-genres of the fetish.

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@DerivativeWings

"It's also worth noting that omo is very big, as far as these types of fetishes go. Both in terms of how many people engage with it online, as well as the differences between different niches of omorashi. There are people into omorashi that might as well have a different fetish than me since there are so many different sub-genres of the fetish."

I think based on my personal experience I would have to agree with that. My other two major fetishes such as nonmutual nudity and tickle torture are more niche compared to omorashi. This is by far the most active of all the fetish boards that I participate on. Boards from my other fetishes aren't anywhere near as active or anywhere near as many members as this one.


This is probably the fetish board I participate most with because there is most actual discussion and analysis and going beyond just the fetish and people I think are more open-minded and accepting of this fetish compared to certain other ones, especially compared to on a general fetish board such as a fetlife or lit erotica which I have found people to be incredibly judgmental if you share even a slightly different liking of the fetish than they do.


But here there is lots of different varieties and subcategories of the fetish so it's almost like a umbrella term. Omorashi is in just one fetish it encompasses holding, wetting, Golden showers and a whole range and variety of things whereas most other fetishes are fairly straightforward with not that many subcategories and sub genres. The more variety and diversity encompassed by a single fetish naturally is going to have more people who are drawn to it so it will be a much more active community and probably a more tolerant one as well.

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I don't really get the feeling that it is shunned, more that it's not widely known about and most people probably aren't even aware that it is a fetish at all. People are likely much more familiar with general watersports fetishes than they are aware of omorashi which is more of a niche. But of course there are plenty of other fetishes which are even more niche and would be considered even more unpleasant to most people, so they would get shunned far more I imagine.

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Honestly, I think a lot of it just boils down to “How do you find that sexy?”

People just don’t understand why we see being desperate to pee, peeing ourselves on purpose, and wearing diapers as “sexy”.

For most people being desperate to pee is annoying, peeing is just another mundane and slightly gross part of life, and wearing diapers is seen as a gross and embarrassing solution to the problem of not being able to control your bodily functions.

So yeah, there are certainly more extreme kinks out there, but this one probably ranks pretty high on the “How is that sexy?” scale for most people.

Even as someone who has this fetish, I don’t have any idea why I find this sexy. I just do. 🤷‍♂️

For me, the one kink I will never understand is Feet. How are feet sexy?

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On 9/21/2022 at 12:52 PM, DesperateJill said:

And that's actually a pretty good point as well, it's just not on most people's radar. It's not so much that people are completely disgusted by it it's just that most people really don't even know it exists as a fetish. I mean I think that Golden showers are a bit mainstream at this point, no pun intended, but I think that omorashi, specifically bladder holding and wetting yourself, are just not fetishes that most people are very aware of at all.

Regarding that, it's strange just how many scenes there are in mainstream movies and TV shows involving women being desperate to pee. The fact that paperban on youtube was able to compile 170 and still miss a few tells me this kink is more widespread than people realize.

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@Raziel

"Regarding that, it's strange just how many scenes there are in mainstream movies and TV shows involving women being desperate to pee. The fact that paperban on youtube was able to compile 170 and still miss a few tells me this kink is more widespread than people realize."

Maybe but we have to ask ourselves whether those scenes were intentionally meant to be sort of like a fetish thing. The reason why there could be a lot of scenes of women being desperate to pee on TV or movies is simply because women get desperate to pee, the people who put that in there might just be putting it in there for comedy or because of an observation about life, they probably don't think of it in the same way that we do most of the time. If a person repeatedly makes scenes like that in movies and TV then maybe they have a thing for it, and in my own mainstream stuff that is non-fetish under my own name I put it in there plenty, so plenty of people I'm sure would wonder, but it is still not a dead giveaway.

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1 hour ago, Bothan1138 said:

Even as someone who has this fetish, I don’t have any idea why I find this sexy. I just do. 🤷‍♂️

When you strip away the auxiliary bits, pee is a warm liquid that comes out of people's genitals. It involves people getting naked. There's a lot more to it and there are a lot of individual preferences, but explaining the appeal does not have to be all that complicated.

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2 hours ago, DesperateJill said:

 

Maybe but we have to ask ourselves whether those scenes were intentionally meant to be sort of like a fetish thing. The reason why there could be a lot of scenes of women being desperate to pee on TV or movies is simply because women get desperate to pee, the people who put that in there might just be putting it in there for comedy or because of an observation about life, they probably don't think of it in the same way that we do most of the time. If a person repeatedly makes scenes like that in movies and TV then maybe they have a thing for it, and in my own mainstream stuff that is non-fetish under my own name I put it in there plenty, so plenty of people I'm sure would wonder, but it is still not a dead giveaway.

Obviously, most were comedic but there are a few directors who use that theme a bit too often for me to believe that's all it was. Jenji Kohan immediately comes to mind. There were a TON of desperation and toilet scenes in Weeds and OTNB. 

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I think there may be many reasons why society rejects urine retention as a sexual fetish, especially because of what specifically involves urine.

first there is the cleanliness factor as greater importance, people relate letting out a body secretion as a behavior of general dirt, just like sweating, salivating, expelling gas or having an orgasm, people feel the need to clean themselves later.

I give an example, "you decide to urinate on your bed during sex, regardless of whether the other person would like it or not" you think about whether it is correct to let your urine out knowing that it will wet the mattress and sheets where you are, then the aroma because the retained urine can smell strong, then you think about general cleaning and, how not to leave a trace, if the mattress has a mark left on it or if a family member, friend or neighbor discovers it by chance and they know that there someone urinated, also the same fact of taking the mattress out to dry in the patio of your house (if you have one because if you live in an apartment forget it)

personally the human being should accept urine as a reason and consequence of a sexual act. male animals are attracted by female urine pheromones, males mark their territory through urine. all animals that have a reproductive drive involve wanting to mix body fluids from the genitals for reproduction, so why is the human being the only one who finds urine important? if we know that in an orgasm we are going to get a jet of body fluid yes or yes (semen or vaginal fluid) then what does that change about urine if it comes out from the same place?

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@Cristiano97

"personally the human being should accept urine as a reason and consequence of a sexual act. male animals are attracted by female urine pheromones, males mark their territory through urine. all animals that have a reproductive drive involve wanting to mix body fluids from the genitals for reproduction, so why is the human being the only one who finds urine important? if we know that in an orgasm we are going to get a jet of body fluid yes or yes (semen or vaginal fluid) then what does that change about urine if it comes out from the same place?"

I actually think that that's a large part of it, I think that human beings like to distance themselves from the idea that they are like other animals. Somehow we see something like that as being animallike and dirty and filthy and uncivilized or unhygienic. If you look at a lot of the early religions like the Bible there is a tremendous amount in the Bible about impurity about how he menstruating woman can't be holy and all this other stuff. So human beings have an aversion to bodily fluids in general. I think that they overlook the fact that sexual fluids are also fluids because I guess that's how you make babies so that can be an exception, but since urine is not going to serve any real reproductive purpose I still think in the mind of many people people feel it is a shameful bodily fluid. Even people who reject that idea probably have had it drilled into them on some type of subconscious level, that the human body and human bodily fluids in general are dirty and they should not be mixed unless it will serve some practical purpose such as reproduction.

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On 9/27/2022 at 4:28 PM, DesperateJill said:

I think that they overlook the fact that sexual fluids are also fluids because I guess that's how you make babies so that can be an exception, but since urine is not going to serve any real reproductive purpose I still think in the mind of many people people feel it is a shameful bodily fluid. Even people who reject that idea probably have had it drilled into them on some type of subconscious level, that the human body and human bodily fluids in general are dirty and they should not be mixed unless it will serve some practical purpose such as reproduction.

Maybe it doesn't serve a reproductive purpose directly, but I'm acquainted with the fact that urinating in front of someone often leads to that act. Maybe we're not all that far removed from other animals after all.

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I think it's mainly because omorashi is a niche fetish. People just don't know about it. I have a theory that if we could get more people to know pissing yourself as a fetish is a thing, we would somehow get more people to try and possibly enjoy omorashi. 

Kinda like with BDSM. It used to be fringe, controversial, now it's so well known it's become cliché. Nobody gets shocked anymore at the thought of two adults getting off on wearing latex, getting spanked, getting handcuffed etc. 

BDSM made it into a worldwide blockbuster hit: 50 shades of gray. No one batted an eye.

Now imagine if the protagonists of the movie practiced omorashi instead of BDSM. That would have been interesting. 

 

Whenever I talk about my fetish to people who don't share it, they're always surprised cause they don't even know it is a thing. They usually know about pissing and golden showers, but not about omorashi. 

I was talking about omorashi to a friend of mine some time ago.

-What is it?- He asks me 

- I like pissing myself and I like to see men do the same- 

 

He thought I meant I like to urinate on myself naked, aka pissing. It took him a while to understand that I was actually taking about pissing our pants.

 

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