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@Weather

"In terms of reaching desperation, I don't know, I imagine it's fairly even.  However, I know at least in my case (male), it's basically impossible to lose control.  Like, if my bladder is literally at 101% capacity, then I will leak 1% and no more.  If it weren't for pain and how unhealthy it is, I could probably keep my bladder at "almost completely full" for a very long time (days), only peeing a little bit when adding any extra to my bladder would just overflow it a little."

I think this is consistent from everything that I have read on the topic. Since the men have a longer urethra with more muscles it is possible for men to close it off easier whereas women are more prone to leaking, and if you start letting a little bit out it's likely to become a flood right away, because there is more  pressure generated by the female bladder, so it tends to come out more rapidly and with greater force.

@BladderChamp

"I know you've held it a lot at work, but have you ever tested your limit to see how long you can hold out with a full bladder?"

From my experiences at work that I can hold a full bladder or a bladder that feels uncomfortably full for many hours at a time with eight hours being the absolute record I would say from the time the van broke down. But I have never actually held it to the point voluntarily where it just started leaking and coming out, because the only way I would continue holding once I start feeling pain is if there is no bathroom available. When it starts getting really bad I eventually go to the bathroom.

@Angusburger

"But it seems like girls have it worse because girls have smaller bladders and less opprotunties? It feels like life is harder for a female bladder. Do you feel jealous of men having double the advantage as it does seem pretty unfair if it is true that women have a harder time holding in pee too. IT does seem ike a "design flaw" for the female body in terms of peeing."

There definitely can be that feeling of jealousy by just the fact that you end up having to hold it longer while needing it more. I don't consider it so much a design flaw for peeing so much as the female body to has the main burden of the reproductive capacity. Since women are the ones to carry the children inside of them the uterus takes up space for the bladder to expand, so there is less room for expansion. Because the female reproductive system takes up so much room there is less room for the bladder. So there is sort of that annoyance seeing as I never wanted children but my bladder capacity is more limited by my reproductive system taking up that space.

 

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1 hour ago, DesperateJill said:

From my experiences at work that I can hold a full bladder or a bladder that feels uncomfortably full for many hours at a time with eight hours being the absolute record I would say from the time the van broke down. But I have never actually held it to the point voluntarily where it just started leaking and coming out, because the only way I would continue holding once I start feeling pain is if there is no bathroom available. When it starts getting really bad I eventually go to the bathroom.

If I wanted to put myself in your shoes, how would I replicate your routine during one of those work days? When would be the last time you’d pee, how much/often would you be drinking, etc.?

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@BladderChamp

"If I wanted to put myself in your shoes, how would I replicate your routine during one of those work days? When would be the last time you’d pee, how much/often would you be drinking, etc.?"

I generally would pee before leaving the house before they picked me up and drove me to the base, which is usually about 15 or 20 minutes away, at which point I would go to the bathroom again before we head out to wherever we were going that day. Occasionally there would be bathrooms but most of the time there wouldn't and then I would usually just be holding it for the next six or seven hours, depending where we were going and how long it takes to get back. As soon as I got back to the base I would run and charge for the toilets along with my other female coworkers. I drank very minimally during the day so that I wouldn't get desperate or at least so I could hold it even drinking minimally I was still bursting by the middle point of the day.

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49 minutes ago, DesperateJill said:

@BladderChamp

"If I wanted to put myself in your shoes, how would I replicate your routine during one of those work days? When would be the last time you’d pee, how much/often would you be drinking, etc.?"

I generally would pee before leaving the house before they picked me up and drove me to the base, which is usually about 15 or 20 minutes away, at which point I would go to the bathroom again before we head out to wherever we were going that day. Occasionally there would be bathrooms but most of the time there wouldn't and then I would usually just be holding it for the next six or seven hours, depending where we were going and how long it takes to get back. As soon as I got back to the base I would run and charge for the toilets along with my other female coworkers. I drank very minimally during the day so that I wouldn't get desperate or at least so I could hold it even drinking minimally I was still bursting by the middle point of the day.

Okay, I’m definitely going to try this. How would you define “drinking minimally”?

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13 hours ago, Angusburger said:

But it seems like girls have it worse because girls have smaller bladders and less opprotunties? It feels like life is harder for a female bladder. Do you feel jealous of men having double the advantage as it does seem pretty unfair if it is true that women have a harder time holding in pee too. IT does seem ike a "design flaw" for the female body in terms of peeing. 

 

 

 

I never feel disadvantaged when with boys in a situation without a toilet around, unless of course they just go pee in the woods or something. If males really do get desperate more slowly or have more space fore bladder expansion it isn’t that noticeable in day-to-day life. Most of the guys I know will go to the bathroom 2 or 3 times before I feel urged enough to go, but it really does depend on the person. 

@DesperateJill another thing guys do is speak up more if they want to go to the bathroom. Most situations where there is technically a toilet nearby but its a little awkward to access such as a meeting at work or even walking around town guys will just go do it haha, and I’m like “I didnt know I could do that” 😆

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@Kiwi_Rebecca_C

"I never feel disadvantaged when with boys in a situation without a toilet around, unless of course they just go pee in the woods or something. If males really do get desperate more slowly or have more space fore bladder expansion it isn’t that noticeable in day-to-day life. Most of the guys I know will go to the bathroom 2 or 3 times before I feel urged enough to go, but it really does depend on the person."

I think this is a good point in day to day life you generally don't notice how often others use the bathroom, and most people without a fetish don't give any thought to it at all. However I was in a situation where the guys were peeing in the woods all day and while the women weren't so I really really noticed it and felt really really disadvantaged!

"another thing guys do is speak up more if they want to go to the bathroom. Most situations where there is technically a toilet nearby but its a little awkward to access such as a meeting at work or even walking around town guys will just go do it haha, and I’m like “I didnt know I could do that”

I have noticed this as well and I actually started an entire thread about it called our women more patient about waiting for the bathroom. It's something I have noticed from a fairly young age that guys tend not to ask permission, they tend to just do things. I guess it goes along with that whole it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission, like if they weren't supposed to do with they will just apologize afterwards but don't even think to ask permission. Maybe it is just a guy thing, testosterone lol.


It reminds me in college when this one girl asked the teacher she could go to the bathroom and the teacher said that she can go whenever she wants because she was just so trained from high school where you had to ask permission to use the bathroom that she didn't realize that in college you can just go to the bathroom whenever you want.


And in my thread I pointed out the interesting thing is that when women tend to need a bathroom is that they tend not to speak up about it. Like there will be a bus trip where there was a rest stop and the men all use the bathroom at the ladies room was closed. A couple of the women were annoyed but they didn't really speak up until they were getting to a state of total desperation, and when they were told to keep waiting they simply went quiet and continued waiting patiently.


Of course when they finally did get to the bathroom they were all basically jumping for joy and running to the bathroom for dear life pretty much overjoyed at the fact that they could finally go to the bathroom. But you really didn't see them getting aggressive about the need to go to the bathroom.


Or like in my tour guide situation where after a four hour bus ride the there wasn't enough time for all of the women to use the bathroom before starting the tour. Despite the fact that there were at least 15 or 20 women who had been dying for a bathroom the entire tour they mostly just went along with the tour occasionally asking if they were going to get to a bathroom soon but every time they were told no they continue going. And then when the group voted to skip a bathroom break for a photo opportunity even though those women were in agony absolutely dying for a bathroom, and I was one of them, we still ultimately went along with the group and continued holding. We were annoyed, we were really aggravated, but in no time did we rise up and demand to be brought to a bathroom right then and there. We continued patiently holding it and I have noticed that that tends to be the norm.


Just like when there is a long line at the ladies room you see the women patiently lining up at the bathroom no matter how long the line is even if there is a men's room next door that is completely empty.


Once again I think it comes down to social and societal conditioning where women are just sort of taught to deny their needs even basic needs like a bathroom until it's convenient for everybody. If a woman is denied a bathroom she will keep going on holding and holding, where as a guy will just go and do it. It is interesting when you really think about it.

One person I have chatted with here and extensively in private felt that women tended to be more passive about these things and that men tended to be active problem solvers in trying to get to a bathroom and stuff like that, more aggressive about it. It sounds a little bit sexist but at the same time I can't deny that I have observed it myself.


One thing I did point out to him though is that on long bus rides where they didn't really have that many rest stops or where they just let the guys go in a field while the women continued holding it, when the women would get off the bus he thought that they were behaving like they were lunatics or crazy and I pointed out to him, they were patiently waiting for the bathroom all day while you had gone several times without even thinking about it, and believe me if you had been holding it all day while the guys would just going to the bathroom you would be ready to stampede to the bathroom when you finally arrived as well! But yeah no matter how bad it gets women tend to keep waiting patiently with minimal complaining and almost none demanding.

Another thing that illustrates this point was I heard that there was this place called soldier feel that had the enormous ladies room lines at intermissions that were like 45 minutes long or 60 women out the door and eventually the women got more bathrooms but then there was a line for the men and with one complaint from the men who were getting all aggravated and riled up about it they changed it back and the status quo was restored. The women complain for 20 years to get more bathrooms patiently waiting all that time for it, but with one aggressive complaint from the men and things went back to the way they were before. It's interesting from a sociological standpoint.

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@Kiwi_Rebecca_C

"I never feel disadvantaged when with boys in a situation without a toilet around, unless of course they just go pee in the woods or something. If males really do get desperate more slowly or have more space fore bladder expansion it isn’t that noticeable in day-to-day life. Most of the guys I know will go to the bathroom 2 or 3 times before I feel urged enough to go, but it really does depend on the person."

I think this is a good point in day to day life you generally don't notice how often others use the bathroom, and most people without a fetish don't give any thought to it at all. However I was in a situation where the guys were peeing in the woods all day and while the women weren't so I really really noticed it and felt really really disadvantaged!

"another thing guys do is speak up more if they want to go to the bathroom. Most situations where there is technically a toilet nearby but its a little awkward to access such as a meeting at work or even walking around town guys will just go do it haha, and I’m like “I didnt know I could do that”

I have noticed this as well and I actually started an entire thread about it called our women more patient about waiting for the bathroom. It's something I have noticed from a fairly young age that guys tend not to ask permission, they tend to just do things. I guess it goes along with that whole it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission, like if they weren't supposed to do with they will just apologize afterwards but don't even think to ask permission. Maybe it is just a guy thing, testosterone lol.


It reminds me in college when this one girl asked the teacher she could go to the bathroom and the teacher said that she can go whenever she wants because she was just so trained from high school where you had to ask permission to use the bathroom that she didn't realize that in college you can just go to the bathroom whenever you want.


And in my thread I pointed out the interesting thing is that when women tend to need a bathroom is that they tend not to speak up about it. Like there will be a bus trip where there was a rest stop and the men all use the bathroom at the ladies room was closed. A couple of the women were annoyed but they didn't really speak up until they were getting to a state of total desperation, and when they were told to keep waiting they simply went quiet and continued waiting patiently.


Of course when they finally did get to the bathroom they were all basically jumping for joy and running to the bathroom for dear life pretty much overjoyed at the fact that they could finally go to the bathroom. But you really didn't see them getting aggressive about the need to go to the bathroom.


Or like in my tour guide situation where after a four hour bus ride the there wasn't enough time for all of the women to use the bathroom before starting the tour. Despite the fact that there were at least 15 or 20 women who had been dying for a bathroom the entire tour they mostly just went along with the tour occasionally asking if they were going to get to a bathroom soon but every time they were told no they continue going. And then when the group voted to skip a bathroom break for a photo opportunity even though those women were in agony absolutely dying for a bathroom, and I was one of them, we still ultimately went along with the group and continued holding. We were annoyed, we were really aggravated, but in no time did we rise up and demand to be brought to a bathroom right then and there. We continued patiently holding it and I have noticed that that tends to be the norm.


Just like when there is a long line at the ladies room you see the women patiently lining up at the bathroom no matter how long the line is even if there is a men's room next door that is completely empty.


Once again I think it comes down to social and societal conditioning where women are just sort of taught to deny their needs even basic needs like a bathroom until it's convenient for everybody. If a woman is denied a bathroom she will keep going on holding and holding, where as a guy will just go and do it. It is interesting when you really think about it.

One person I have chatted with here and extensively in private felt that women tended to be more passive about these things and that men tended to be active problem solvers in trying to get to a bathroom and stuff like that, more aggressive about it. It sounds a little bit sexist but at the same time I can't deny that I have observed it myself.


One thing I did point out to him though is that on long bus rides where they didn't really have that many rest stops or where they just let the guys go in a field while the women continued holding it, when the women would get off the bus he thought that they were behaving like they were lunatics or crazy and I pointed out to him, they were patiently waiting for the bathroom all day while you had gone several times without even thinking about it, and believe me if you had been holding it all day while the guys would just going to the bathroom you would be ready to stampede to the bathroom when you finally arrived as well! But yeah no matter how bad it gets women tend to keep waiting patiently with minimal complaining and almost none demanding.

Another thing that illustrates this point was I heard that there was this place called soldier feel that had the enormous ladies room lines at intermissions that were like 45 minutes long or 60 women out the door and eventually the women got more bathrooms but then there was a line for the men and with one complaint from the men who were getting all aggravated and riled up about it they changed it back and the status quo was restored. The women complain for 20 years to get more bathrooms patiently waiting all that time for it, but with one aggressive complaint from the men and things went back to the way they were before. It's interesting from a sociological standpoint.

What was the tour guide story? How come they didnt let women pee and did men not care at all?

 

What do you mean by women were acting like lunatics? 

 

For the Soldier Field example, that seems unfair but I feel like its cause women are used to waiting in line anyways that it is more normal for them to be waiting in line. I know for me as a guy even when its a few mins to wait to pee I think it is too long to wait. However, women dont seem to make a big enough fuss about the perceived unfairness either like it seems like women just accept it. I see a long line for the womens room and they either find another restroom or wait in line but not complain about it. Why dont women complain more? 

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@Angusburger

"What was the tour guide story? How come they didnt let women pee and did men not care at all?"

You can read the tour guide story in my blog https://desperatejill83.livejournal.com/2021/02/18/

I have since expanded it to a novella I still need to read, edit and publish.

"What do you mean by women were acting like lunatics?"

I just mean that the women had been patiently holding all day waiting for a bathroom while the men got to go several times. Then when the women finally got a chance to go to the bathroom it was like a big stampede where the women seemed practically falling over each other to get to the bathroom. To the guys watching it just seemed like they were going crazy, but if they had not gone to the bathroom all day they would be pretty crazy when the opportunity finally arrived as well I would think!

"For the Soldier Field example, that seems unfair but I feel like its cause women are used to waiting in line anyways that it is more normal for them to be waiting in line. I know for me as a guy even when its a few mins to wait to pee I think it is too long to wait. However, women dont seem to make a big enough fuss about the perceived unfairness either like it seems like women just accept it. I see a long line for the womens room and they either find another restroom or wait in line but not complain about it. Why dont women complain more?"

I think that you pretty much answered your own question. For the women it's just common to be waiting in line for the bathroom, so they don't question it and accept it as normal. When something has always been that way you just accept it as the norm usually and most people don't question that, even if it's unfair or inconvenient. Or if they do question it they may still not see a solution or take action.


Guys on the other hand, who are not used to waiting in line for the bathroom, find that even the slightest line seems to abnormal and it feels like a great injustice to them. It's a point that I have brought up in that I felt that people will fight harder to maintain privileges that they have always had rather than fight for ones that they had never had before. If you never had a privileges say not having to wait in line you just naturally assume that is just the way it is, but if you never had to wait for a line every time you are in a line it seems abnormal and you feel like something has been taken away from you. In a broader sense this can be applied to wider injustices such as sexism , racism and persecution. If you have always been disadvantaged  it is just the way things are, but if you have privileges challenged to those in the position of privilege it seems like those seeking equality are coming to take something from you.


Again I can't really say for sure why more women don't complain or take action on it, but I do think that maybe it's testosterone that makes guys more aggressive about getting a bathroom. Women will be more passive and wait patiently for a restroom line whereas men the slightest little inconvenience and they tend to get rather testy and make a big fuss about it.


That is pretty much what happened at soldier Field, the women campaigned for 20 years to get more bathrooms patiently enduring the wait in the meantime. Then they finally get more restrooms but it creates lines for the men's room so the men hold a big fuss of being outraged by having to wait at all, and it immediately goes back to the bathroom status quo and that's pretty much the end of that.

 

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@Weather

"I always feel bad seeing your work experiences, they can be cute but also it's quite an injustice.  I really hope that whatever you do for work now has a more equitable bathroom situation.  Men shouldn't have an easier time based on the convenience of what's between our legs."

Right now I'm back to my old job of being a self published stay at home novelist. It is quite a difference from having one or two massive desperate experiences every week to now pretty much having none. So it's definitely a better bathroom situation as the toilet is 5 feet away LOL.

Although it makes me jealous and frustrated often I don't begrudge men the fact that they can go to the bathroom easier. I mean if I could easily just whip it out and do that discreetly I certainly would. So I'm not going to condemn others for taking advantage of the convenience that their anatomy provides. It's just you really really notice it when others are peeing easily and you have no real other option.

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I must apologize.  I took "outdoors" as it is often used in casual discussions here.  That is to say outside the city limits or in parks or beaches offering ample privacy by their vegetation.  Somewhere you mentioned Long Island.  From photos I've seen, I don't think I could pee their.

In 11 years in this small-town (in attitude--population 100,000), I've seen one young lady duck behind a hedge and (last week) another stand up from behind bushes.  They were too exposed to have been very emotionally comfortable.  They must have been physically desperate.

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@Stanley79

"I must apologize.  I took "outdoors" as it is often used in casual discussions here.  That is to say outside the city limits or in parks or beaches offering ample privacy by their vegetation.  Somewhere you mentioned Long Island.  From photos I've seen, I don't think I could pee their."

Yes Long Island is mostly suburbs where there are few places you could pee without risking getting caught. Luckily suburbs mostly have restrooms available except when far from civilization.

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