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1 hour ago, DesperateJill said:

@nacke

"I think women are more used to holding it beacuse they can't really pee anywhere like us guys. having that said i think men when they are forced to still can hold it longer and better than women, it's always girls that become frantic and almost paniced when they need to pee saying stuff like "i'm about to pee myself" "i can't hold it much longer!" etc etc I've never heard any guys being frantic and whining that they have to pee."

I've often heard it said that men are's expected to be stoic about dealing with pain but I think the women deal with more of the pain especially when it comes to things like a full bladder heard but it's definitely true that all the guys I am with I have never seen any of them desperate or frantic for a bathroom where as I think every guy that I know has seen me desperate on more than one occasion.

"as a guy i just love when girls get that desperate and are worried they aren't gonna make it, you girls should know you are super sexy and cute when you do that. it's like you can't control yourselves you have to put you hand between you legs and you tell everyone that you are about to pee yourself even though it should be embarassing, it's like you have no other choice."

I'm glad you find our lack of choice entertaining, you probably would have been finding my outdoor job without bathrooms very entertaining if you were my coworker.

haha yeah we are more stoic, but also it's never really like we feel like "i'm literally about to pee myself" it would have to take a a really long time for us to feel like that whereas with girls the acute need seems to come very quick.

Would have loved to have been your cowerker and watch you and other girls in your predicament 🙂

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"haha yeah we are more stoic, but also it's never really like we feel like "i'm literally about to pee myself" it would have to take a a really long time for us to feel like that whereas with girls the acute need seems to come very quick."

I think that that is what the study is basically getting at. The urge builds up more rapidly and acutely with women so that an emergency situation arises more often and it can be really frustrating especially when it comes out of nowhere like that. Emergencies seem to be way more common with women as it is true you rarely see men stampeding for a bathroom the way you do with women.

But the study also doesn't actually say though that men necessarily hold it significantly longer, it forgets to take in the factor that although maybe men can hold a little bit longer women are often the ones who are forced to do the holding. So although we need to go more quickly we paradoxically usually end up having to hold it longer before we finally get relief, which suggests that women are better at developing strategies to hold it simply out of necessity.


Also I got around to writing that story that was inspired by this thread in the hour since I last responded, but I will probably post it tomorrow in the fiction section.

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1 hour ago, DesperateJill said:

This once again makes me cause to reflect on how to respond to this as a feminist. I would like to say that women just have the greater bladder strength and endurance, but I guess the feminist response is really just that women have to be stronger to deal with all of these things stacked against us, but at the same time I feel like a whiny bitch because I would really really really rather get to tinkle!

This gives me a good idea for a really frustrating desperation story!

Jill, I'd really really really like to see you get your opportunity to tinkle. 

Perhaps you could work this into a desperation story, but maybe have a not so frustrating ending.

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23 minutes ago, DesperateJill said:

@nacke

"haha yeah we are more stoic, but also it's never really like we feel like "i'm literally about to pee myself" it would have to take a a really long time for us to feel like that whereas with girls the acute need seems to come very quick."

I think that that is what the study is basically getting at. The urge builds up more rapidly and acutely with women so that an emergency situation arises more often and it can be really frustrating especially when it comes out of nowhere like that. Emergencies seem to be way more common with women as it is true you rarely see men stampeding for a bathroom the way you do with women.

But the study also doesn't actually say though that men necessarily hold it significantly longer, it forgets to take in the factor that although maybe men can hold a little bit longer women are often the ones who are forced to do the holding. So although we need to go more quickly we paradoxically usually end up having to hold it longer before we finally get relief, which suggests that women are better at developing strategies to hold it simply out of necessity.


Also I got around to writing that story that was inspired by this thread in the hour since I last responded, but I will probably post it tomorrow in the fiction section.

yeah i'm not used to holding it but when i have to i can do it forever like it feels impossible for me to wet myself.

Story to back this up, a few years ago i was at a party and drank lots of alochol i did not pee for like 2 hours than we smoked some weed (it's very illegal where i live (just having weed in your bloodstream is a criminal offense) then me and one friend got busted by the police they thought i looked high which i was so they drove us to the station (we also made like a 30 min stop beacuse the police decided to stop a car even though me and my friend was in the back of the cop car) keep in mind i still haven't peed for like 3 hours now and i can feel that i have to piss bad, they take too that station and they want me to do a urine test (to see if i have thc in urine). me being the smartass that i am i know that you can detect drugs in urine much further back than in blood (7 days vs like a couple of hours) i had taken some other drugs a few days prior and did not want them to see that since police would tell my parents i had taken harder drugs. So i decided to just hold it, the police gave me like 5 cups of water which i finished but everytime they wanted me to try again i just pretended to try (they have to actually watch you so you don't cheat the test) basically i was in the station for another 2-3 hours meaning i hadn't peed for like 6 hours despite having drank a lot of alochol and a shit ton of water. it was super hard and i ocastionally worried i was gone break and leak but i knew i could trust my body and that didn't happen. eventually the cops agreed to do a bloodtest which also took a lot of time beacuse we had to be escorted to the hospital and wait for a doctor to get ready. after something like 8 hours i was finally free to go and i still waited for my mom too pick me up and drive me home before i peed. 

 

after that experince i just don't think i can pee myself

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4 hours ago, lindawong said:

Well I did find a study.

 

Not surprising to me it found male college students have greater maximum holding capacity than female college students (none who hade given birth).

 

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Samina-Malik-3/publication/319392393_EFFECT_OF_GENDER_AND_BMI_ON_MAXIMUM_URINE_HOLDING_CAPACITY_OF_THE_URINARY_BLADDER/links/59a7a985a6fdcc61fcfde049/EFFECT-OF-GENDER-AND-BMI-ON-MAXIMUM-URINE-HOLDING-CAPACITY-OF-THE-URINARY-BLADDER.pdf

 

 

Here is the table fro the full paper.

 

Maximum holding capacity for men is 2235 ml compared to 1635 ml for women.

 

Table 1: Comparison of participants by gender.

 

                                                                              Males (n = 20)           Female (n = 49)           P-value

 

Weight (kg)                                                            72.20 ± 11.99             59.06 ± 13.54             < 0.001*

Height (cm)                                                           174.85 ± 7.69              157.79 ± 6.17               < 0.001*

BMI                                                                         24.38 ± 4.92              23.84 ± 5.44                  0.706

1 st sensation of fullness (ml)                              487.50 ± 170.04         585.71 ± 259.80             0.124

1 st desire to micturate (ml)                                 1230.00 ± 473.62      944.90 ± 300.74            0.019*

Feeling of discomfort in holding urine (ml)         1560.00 ± 426.00      1216.33± 305.74            0.003*

Sensation of pain in holding urine (ml)                1850.00 ±502.10        1473.47 ± 307.39          0.004*

Maximum bladder capacity to hold urine (ml)    2235.00 ± 672.21       1635.71 ± 366.00          0.001*

 

*Statistically significant difference (P < 0.05; Student’s t-test)

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15 minutes ago, lindawong said:

Here is the table fro the full paper.

 

Maximum holding capacity for men is 2235 ml compared to 1635 ml for women.

 

Table 1: Comparison of participants by gender.

 

                                                                              Males (n = 20)           Female (n = 49)           P-value

 

Weight (kg)                                                            72.20 ± 11.99             59.06 ± 13.54             < 0.001*

Height (cm)                                                           174.85 ± 7.69              157.79 ± 6.17               < 0.001*

BMI                                                                         24.38 ± 4.92              23.84 ± 5.44                  0.706

1 st sensation of fullness (ml)                              487.50 ± 170.04         585.71 ± 259.80             0.124

1 st desire to micturate (ml)                                 1230.00 ± 473.62      944.90 ± 300.74            0.019*

Feeling of discomfort in holding urine (ml)         1560.00 ± 426.00      1216.33± 305.74            0.003*

Sensation of pain in holding urine (ml)                1850.00 ±502.10        1473.47 ± 307.39          0.004*

Maximum bladder capacity to hold urine (ml)    2235.00 ± 672.21       1635.71 ± 366.00          0.001*

 

*Statistically significant difference (P < 0.05; Student’s t-test)

If we control for men's greater weight we find that men are capable of holding 3.1% of their weight in urine while women are capable of holding 2,7% of their weight in urine. No significant differences in BMI between participants.

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"Maximum holding capacity for men is 2235 ml compared to 1635 ml for women."

I have to say I'm surprised that the differences are that big as well as that's a pretty significant amount. That is a 600 mL different whereas I have read that the average person feels a need to go to the bathroom at like 500 mL, so that's almost like an entire bottle of water more of urine that men are capable of holding. I guess that space taken up by the uterus really does make a significant difference, but damn we ladies really do get shortchanged in the bladder department don't we?!

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2 hours ago, DesperateJill said:

Hearing harsh truths like this confirmed by data makes me cross my legs in frustration! The part about it being a significant difference was a real gut punch to my poor girl bladder.

Well, it’s important not to put too much stock in a single study. Plus, statistical significance isn’t everything — even tiny differences can be statistically significant.

Plus, peeing and holding it are to some extent learned behaviors, so your habits no doubt have an impact on your bladder capacity and how frequently you need to relieve yourself.

A practiced holder like yourself is probably above average when it comes to capacity, if I had to guess. So, all else being equal, your poor girl bladder might not be able to out-hold a boy bladder that has been similarly trained a majority of the time, but who knows? Besides, all else is NOT equal in the real world, so she may well be able to hold in all your piss “like a man,” at least as far as the average man is concerned.

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10 minutes ago, DesperateJill said:

@lindawong

"Maximum holding capacity for men is 2235 ml compared to 1635 ml for women."

I have to say I'm surprised that the differences are that big as well as that's a pretty significant amount. That is a 600 mL different whereas I have read that the average person feels a need to go to the bathroom at like 500 mL, so that's almost like an entire bottle of water more of urine that men are capable of holding. I guess that space taken up by the uterus really does make a significant difference, but damn we ladies really do get shortchanged in the bladder department don't we?!

Classic from Indian Big Brother resembling the experiment above.

 

Two women and two men compete for who can stay the longest on a rocking horse without going to the toilet while continuously drinking water.

 

The clip starts when the first woman has already given up and to the toilet, left are the one remaining woman and both men.

The woman actually wins the contest, but she does so by simply peeing her pants on the horse. After that the guys start realizing they won't win if they don't piss themselves too and give up.

 

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10 minutes ago, DesperateJill said:

@lindawong

"Maximum holding capacity for men is 2235 ml compared to 1635 ml for women."

I have to say I'm surprised that the differences are that big as well as that's a pretty significant amount. That is a 600 mL different whereas I have read that the average person feels a need to go to the bathroom at like 500 mL, so that's almost like an entire bottle of water more of urine that men are capable of holding. I guess that space taken up by the uterus really does make a significant difference, but damn we ladies really do get shortchanged in the bladder department don't we?!

It’s important to note that in that particular study, those volumes are measurements of how much water participants drank, not how much their bladders actually held (which was not measured). After all 2.2L *on average* would be astounding! Especially considering even most omo aficionados consider 2L to be sort of the Mt. Everest of pee holding.

Still, the magnitude of the difference in fluid intake at various stages of desperation is notable.

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2 minutes ago, BladderChamp said:

It’s important to note that in that particular study, those volumes are measurements of how much water participants drank, not how much their bladders actually held (which was not measured). After all 2.2L *on average* would be astounding! Especially considering even most omo aficionados consider 2L to be sort of the Mt. Everest of pee holding.

Still, the magnitude of the difference in fluid intake at various stages of desperation is notable.

Can't find it now but I also remember a study where male and female students filled in a voiding diary and female students reported higher daily frequency and lower voided volume for each visit.

 

Considering that practically all forms of incontinence are more common in women than in men such results should not be surprising.

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"Plus, peeing and holding it are to some extent learned behaviors, so your habits no doubt have an impact on your bladder capacity and how frequently you need to relieve yourself.

A practiced holder like yourself is probably above average when it comes to capacity, if I had to guess. So, all else being equal, your poor girl bladder might not be able to out-hold a boy bladder that has been similarly trained a majority of the time, but who knows? Besides, all else is NOT equal in the real world, so she may well be able to hold in all your piss “like a man,” at least as far as the average man is concerned."

True you can increase your capacity through training yourself to hold it when it comes to actual need to go I still find myself having to go just as soon. Yes I was able to hold it six or seven hours but I spent most of that time dying to go to the bathroom where is even before the guys went to the bathroom they look like they were a lot more comfortable. You could see the women getting a lot more frantic before you even saw the men go and take a bathroom break in a lot of cases. So yes you can increase your capacity but there is still that need to go sooner in women and I have there that personally.

"It’s important to note that in that particular study, those volumes are measurements of how much water participants drank, not how much their bladders actually held (which was not measured). After all 2.2L *on average* would be astounding! Especially considering even most omo aficionados consider 2L to be sort of the Mt. Everest of pee holding.

Still, the magnitude of the difference in fluid intake at various stages of desperation is notable."

Well yes that is the significance, it shows that in any case the women have to go worse with notably less fluid intake. So regardless of who can hold up all of the women definitely feel the need to go sooner and more intensely. In a situation where no bathroom was available the women might be able to hold better out of necessity but that doesn't mean that we don't have to go even more.


And I have noticed personally when I am with others and we are all drinking regularly, not alcohol just drinking in general, I definitely have to go to the bathroom a lot sooner than the guys that I know rarely seem to be urgently needing to go in general. Once again you see women in a situation of dire urgency fairly often and is a common occurrence for you don't really see men charging madly for a bathroom even when they have been waiting the same amount of time as women and drinking the same amount.

@lindawong

"The woman actually wins the contest, but she does so by simply peeing her pants on the horse. After that the guys start realizing they won't win if they don't piss themselves too and give up."

To be fair though if you pee yourself in a holding contest you haven't really won the holding contest as you got relief. The way I see it the contest is over when a person goes to the bathroom and in this case the guys only lost simply because they didn't want to wet themselves. In terms of actual holding though she ended up going to the bathroom first as did the other woman.

"Can't find it now but I also remember a study where male and female students filled in a voiding diary and female students reported higher daily frequency and lower voided volume for each visit.

Considering that practically all forms of incontinence are more common in women than in men such results should not be surprising."

I remember reading that study and I'm sure I have it link somewhere in my blog at some point if not multiple times but I remember it was a pretty significant difference where the men went to the bathroom an average of three or four times a day whereas the women went 6 to 7 times a day so that's almost a case of women having to go twice as much, that's a very significant difference!


These are very interesting to take into consideration when you consider that women have to go more but get fewer opportunities to enter the ones went up holding. So again worst of all worlds where the women have to go sooner but have to hold longer and that is why I female desperation is in general very common whereas male desperation is vanishingly rare.


Once again the feminist in me wants to say that women just have better bladder strength and that we are better off than men in a situation where we have to hold it, and it may be true that we have to hold it more, but in terms of actual bladder comfort women experience much more bladder discomfort and men experience much easier relief in general. All the studies however seem to indicate that women have to go significantly more than men and experience much more urgency in general. For men desperation is a rarity, for women it is clearly the norm.

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1 hour ago, lindawong said:

Here is the table fro the full paper.

 

Maximum holding capacity for men is 2235 ml compared to 1635 ml for women.

 

Table 1: Comparison of participants by gender.

 

                                                                              Males (n = 20)           Female (n = 49)           P-value

 

Weight (kg)                                                            72.20 ± 11.99             59.06 ± 13.54             < 0.001*

Height (cm)                                                           174.85 ± 7.69              157.79 ± 6.17               < 0.001*

BMI                                                                         24.38 ± 4.92              23.84 ± 5.44                  0.706

1 st sensation of fullness (ml)                              487.50 ± 170.04         585.71 ± 259.80             0.124

1 st desire to micturate (ml)                                 1230.00 ± 473.62      944.90 ± 300.74            0.019*

Feeling of discomfort in holding urine (ml)         1560.00 ± 426.00      1216.33± 305.74            0.003*

Sensation of pain in holding urine (ml)                1850.00 ±502.10        1473.47 ± 307.39          0.004*

Maximum bladder capacity to hold urine (ml)    2235.00 ± 672.21       1635.71 ± 366.00          0.001*

 

*Statistically significant difference (P < 0.05; Student’s t-test)

If you calculate the ratio between weight and the values, it seems a lot closer in the middle of the range:
 

  Male Female Percent Diff
Weight % - Volume %
weight 72.2 59.06 122.25% 0%
1sFull 488 585 83.42% -38.83%
1sDesire 1230 944 130.30% 8.05%
Discomfort 1560 1216 128.29% 6.04%
Pain 1850 1473 125.59% 3.35%
Max 2235 1635 136.70% 14.45%

Since most nursing guidelines for adequate urine production I've seen online are given in ml/kg, I think normalizing for weight is reasonable. (and not BMI, a 7ft tall person could have the same BMI as a 5"0" person and have the same BMI, but the 7ft person would have a much higher blood volume and so drinking the same "amount" would saturate their tissues less, causing lower urine production from the kidneys etc)

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I don't understand the point of the video. How can she "win" by peeing in her pants first? What about the female who wet herself earlier?  If you pee first weather giving up and going or wet your pants you lose. 

Wow, though interesting those numbers seem very high. Then I realized that is just measuring what they drank, not how much they voided at certain points in the hold.  How much were their kidneys still processing, and how long will it take? But interesting nonetheless.

Remember these were college age students. They likely can hold more than older folks. Most studies are not going to subject the participants to extreme holding pain like we might do for fun

  I never measured my bladder capacity until my mid-forties. There were no internet sites like this to give me ideas. In my high school years I used to hold my pee all day, up to 10 hours to avoid using the school restrooms. There were times in my twenties when pee shyness made me unable to go. Sometimes I was so full I had trouble getting started, and it took up to 10 minutes to slowly empty my bladder. Apparently especially in males an over distended bladder can rest on our longer urethra blocking the flow. In any event I have no idea how much I held.

I never knew female and male bladders were shaped differently . Since that makes woman feel the urge weather normal or urgently would explain why they go more frequently, rather than be uncomfortable. But then there are us omorashi fans , who enjoy the pressure and fullness sensation of holding our pee. 

There is also a difference in how much you can hold if circumstances require you or I to, and what I can or could hold for fun. For example normally I feel the urge around 500-550 ml. I become painfully full and need to take extra measures, like squeezing my penis and squirming around 800-900ml. Most people would tap out by that point. I could suffer (but enjoy) the pain until I start leaking about 1.25 liters. But once I was pushed beyond that. I was doing a hold until I uncontrollably leak then measure. I was at that point about to go when my son, who wasn’t living with me, walked in. My choices were to either rush to the toilet hunched over, holding myself / wetting my pants on the way or continuing holding as long as possible. I kept holding with an iron fist holding my penis and squeezing my legs tightly together over my hand, hidden by my desk. This was not fun; I was in severe agony and knew it was going to come out any second. He would wonder why I peed myself. But trying to keep from embarrassing myself allowed me to continue holding well past when I would normally would have just wet myself completely. I don’t remember how long he was there, but it felt like forever.  He left and as soon as he did, I stood up and started leaking. I was in such pain, I didn’t care. Since I was overfull it was a slow leak. I measured my all-time high of 1.35 liters plus some lost in my pants. My point is I held more to avoid humiliation.

1.35 liters is a lot but I know some can exceed that if they try, but nowhere near had the 2+ liters had the amount drunken study showed.

I strongly suggest never trying this. I got little sleep that night, because I was woke up every hour with any urgent need to pee, because my bladder was so sore. More frightening I had blood in my urine, and my bladder was sore for a few days. I worried I had done some serious harm to myself.  Absolutely , next time I’d abort the mission.

This was years ago. Now at age 70 I can’t hold more than 800 maybe 900 ml. But I cannot accurately measure it so easily , as soon as I stand pee starts to flow full force.

 

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Oh wow amazing studies everyone! I have looked before but I didnt find those! I wish I could have been part of those experiments hahahah. I still wonder if the studies accounted for the fact that woman might admit they have to pee sooner than men. I see women tell each other all the time that they have to use the bathroom but I feel like men might be embarrassed or too competitive to do so in some cases, especially if it is laid out to them like a competition. 

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2 minutes ago, Kiwi_Rebecca_C said:

I still wonder if the studies accounted for the fact that woman might admit they have to pee sooner than men. I see women tell each other all the time that they have to use the bathroom but I feel like men might be embarrassed or too competitive to do some in some cases, especially if it is laid out to them like a competition. 

As a somewhat competitive male, I certainly don't like losing these contests. While I may win more than I don't, I've had some women totally embarrass me by how long and how much they held. 🙄

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22 minutes ago, Kiwi_Rebecca_C said:

Oh wow amazing studies everyone! I have looked before but I didnt find those! I wish I could have been part of those experiments hahahah. I still wonder if the studies accounted for the fact that woman might admit they have to pee sooner than men. I see women tell each other all the time that they have to use the bathroom but I feel like men might be embarrassed or too competitive to do some in some cases, especially if it is laid out to them like a competition. 

it's a study they probably tested one person at a time

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To be honest, I think this is a tough question to honestly answer.  Men probably do pee more often than women, but not necessarily because they can hold it longer than women, but because they have more “convenient” opportunities to pee, since they just need a urinal or toilet, and are less likely to encounter a long bathroom line than women.  For that reason, it may very well be possible that women are more capable of holding their pee for a longer period of time, not because of their anatomy, but because they are more used to it since they “have to” (as in there is more likely to be a line at the women’s bathroom, so they often have to put off their needs until there isn’t a line).  Unfortunately for women, their only “opportunity” to pee may be when there is a line (such as during a 5-minute passing time between classes, when the rules are such that you can’t be late and can’t use the bathroom during class), so they may have to go several hours without peeing.

But I would think that in case of “true emergencies”, that men would be more likely to be able to hold their pee longer because they have a penis, and longer urethra, and therefore more of a “buffer” between when they “need to pee” and when they end up peeing their pants.  Whereas with women, if they’re in a position where they “need to pee”, they don’t have much margin for error.  When the urge hits with women, they need to pee almost immediately, which means if there’s a line, they’re not in a good spot.

A lot of this depends on age and health conditions as well.

But if you put people of similar age groups and do a test to see how long they can truly “hold it” (like say 10 men and 10 women each of the age of around 25 years old or so, and also similar health conditions), I would bet that on average, men could last longer without peeing than women can.  Now, if we’re talking about doing #2 or other “unpleasant” things, I can’t answer that, but that wasn’t really the question anyway.

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Most evidence points to men having longer endurance in this regard...to a point.  Larger bladders plays a part in it, and also the fact that men actually have a second urinary sphincter that women don't possess (albeit it's completely involuntary and only sees use when a man is sufficiently aroused, intended to prevent urination during sex because urine is toxic to sperm).  However, there is one notable exception: as men get older, we often have to deal with enlarged prostates, and that can lead to issues.  On the other hand, women tend to have their bladder control reduced by various activities that can weaken the pelvic floor (i.e. childbirth), so women that've had kids tend to have even worse control.

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4 hours ago, D0nt45k said:

However, there is one notable exception: as men get older, we often have to deal with enlarged prostates, and that can lead to issues.  On the other hand, women tend to have their bladder control reduced by various activities that can weaken the pelvic floor (i.e. childbirth), so women that've had kids tend to have even worse control.

Ahhh, this is something we can look forward to as we get older. 🙄

I can just imagine a situation with a couple seniors who have recently gotten acquainted. On one of their first dates, they take a nature walk which winds up being lengthier than they intended when they set out.

Between her weakened pelvic muscles and his enlarged prostate that keeps his bladder always somewhat full, it's going to create some interesting tension, both still trying on be on their best behavior so early in their dating.

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