Guest DarthBane93 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 21 hours ago, pissypants2005 said: When TVGuy isn’t making amazing content he spends his spare time being an attorney. There was a lot of thought put into that response. Thanks! This made me lol. Yeah i always did appreciate his perspective. Helped me when I was at my lowest Link to comment
TVGuy 10,657 Posted February 19, 2022 🌟 OmoOrg VIP Share Posted February 19, 2022 13 hours ago, PoutyPoet said: Why wouldn't she just blur others' faces as they do for JAVs filmed under Asian countries' oppressive privacy laws? 4 hours ago, shadowflake said: Legally you might be in the clear if you blur out their faces, but it's still a moral issue to force your fetish onto other people. Blurring out faces or people has nothing to do with the legalities under 18.2257. In the US, unlike in many other countries, you have no legal right to privacy when you are in public. The opposite is actually true, we have a constitutional right to photograph and record just about anything we want in public, as long as there isn't a reasonable expectation of privacy. USC 18.2257 is about making sure the people who appear in adult videos are all legal adults, not about privacy. It says nothing about if people appearing in the videos are identifiable or not, only if they appear in the work. Also, even when it comes to privacy related issues, blurring a person's face doesn't change that you violated a person's reasonable expectation of privacy. If blurring a person's face was a way around this law, under this logic, you could make content with underage performers as long as you blurred their faces. In the same way, if blurring a person's face was valid way to sidestep privacy laws, you could film people with hidden cameras in the bathroom without their consent as long as you blurred out their faces. Neither of these things are true and both acts are still very illegal. Despguy123, Hedonist, PrincelyDesire and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Despguy123 2,699 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I actually enjoyed the desperation and wetting aspects of her videos because she would clearly wait until she was genuinely desperate, judging by the huge amount of pee in almost every video. I really didn't like the fact that they were filmed around unsuspecting and unconsenting members of the public, and of course the fact that she often left puddles that others were likely to have come into contact with or would need to clean up. In many of the videos you can tell that they picked a 'target', usually a young woman or group of women, who she would wet in front of and the cameraman would try to keep them in the frame to record their reaction. So in some cases these random people were actually unknowing 'performers' in the videos, which never felt right to me. Not to mention totally illegal, as I now know after reading the very informative posts by @TVGuy RainbowPrideK9, amasonbo1 and durianfury 2 1 Link to comment
Hedonist 1,370 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 7 hours ago, amasonbo1 said: Either that, or asking for people to rip other people's videos for her. Double standard was very funny. hahaha... I totally forgot about that. Link to comment
wetmatt 322 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 12:42 PM, TVGuy said: Piracy definitely is harmful to content creators, especially independent creators who rely on sites like Clips4Sale. Imagine putting all that time and effort into making a video, only to sell 4 downloads, but have it pirated hundreds, or even thousands of times. It is incredibly discouraging. Modern video piracy online is no longer just customers sharing their favorite videos on various forums. It has become an integral tool in international money laundering for giant crime syndicates. Basically, it is how you can convert stolen credit card data, in bulk, to untraceable cash. Going after large content creators would draw attention and a possible law enforcement response, but small time individuals posting on C4S and Only Fans? Well, they make ideal targets for these kind of schemes. Do you have an article or something I can read more about how piracy facilities money laundering? Link to comment
Freyr 66 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 9 hours ago, amasonbo1 said: Either that, or asking for people to rip other people's videos for her. Double standard was very funny. One of the rare times we can say "there's drama in the piss community" ero9007 1 Link to comment
omodaddy 477 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, amasonbo1 said: Either that, or asking for people to rip other people's videos for her. Double standard was very funny. She was classic for that! That’s honestly why I didn’t feel bad, she had a VK account full of paid vids from other creators and even with her store she would be on there requesting full paid vids for free. Edited February 20, 2022 by aklong (see edit history) roeroerowrow 1 Link to comment
TVGuy 10,657 Posted February 20, 2022 🌟 OmoOrg VIP Share Posted February 20, 2022 16 hours ago, wetmatt said: Do you have an article or something I can read more about how piracy facilities money laundering? A quick search only gave me articles covering people who have been arrested/prosecuted for being involved with these schemes- https://pcnutsandbolts.com/cybercrime/piracy-copyright/bulkyiptv-operator-was-arrested-for-fraud-money-laundering/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-jersey-youtube-star-indicted-in-large-internet-piracy-scheme/ar-AAOIoMv But, these kind of articles don't really go into details about how the schemes work. Most of my own knowledge in this area comes from being a victim and talking with law enforcement. As I understand it, here are how these schemes work: There are networks of under ground websites of credit card thieves. Scammers use a variety of techniques to get a hold of people's credit card info. This stolen card data is then packaged and sold in bulk on these underground websites. The scammers who stole the card info make their money by selling it, not using the cards directly. They will do something like sell 10,000 stolen cards for a few hundred dollars. The buyers of these cards then face an issue- How do they get money out of them without getting caught? If they just start going on shopping sprees, those cards are going to get shut down awfully quickly and there will be a trail leading right back to them. So, to extract money from their stolen cards, they are forced to get creative. One way these card thieves have found to do that involves porn piracy. What they will do is sign up as an affiliate marketer on a site like my own. Affiliates get paid 50% of every sale they refer. Once they have their affiliate program up and running, they will then use the stolen credit cards to start signing up. There are some safeguards in place, but if they are careful, they can usually extract a good deal of money through this affiliate scam before it is discovered and they are blocked. Ultimately, I am then the one who is out not just the amount of the sale, but also the amount they were able to take from the affiliate program. So, this alone is able to net these scammers a big chunk of cash, but many don't stop there. Since they have these memberships, they will attempt to download as much content as they can. Then, with that stolen content, they will attempt to monetize it themselves. One way to do this is with pirate forums that will actually share their advertising revenue with users, based on how many views a user's content is getting. This was how Mega used to work. Users upload content they bought with stolen credit cards, having already made money from the affiliate scam, but then also continue generating revenue from the payments they receive from the pirate forums. Other scammers are even more enterprising. They will turn around and launch their own websites with stolen content, making money with their own advertising or selling their own subscriptions directly. Several years ago now I went into battle with a website called 'P-Journal' that was doing this very thing. They made a mistake in covering their tracks, however, and my lawyers and I were able to eventually uncover their true identity and get them shut down. But, that cost me $30,000 and I wasn't able to recover any of it. Today, the website Pissrip is doing the same thing. When they had videos from my site, there was a strong correlation between videos that were bought with stolen card data through affiliate scams and what would pop up a few days later on their site. Eventually these illegally obtained videos trickle down from the big underground pirate sites where they are making money for the the pirates and will start appearing on forums and sites like VK, but much of this content is originally obtained illegally as part of this kind of money laundering scam. Despguy123 and nwohdeh 2 Link to comment
LiquidOcelot 24 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 12:34 PM, peedipe said: She was the hottest wetter I've seen. I agree that it's not nice for someone to have to pay for the clean-up, but for videos that hot, I don't really care. There's a trillion things going on in the world every split second, and there's a lot worse things going on in the world than a carpet tile in some bookshop back in 2020 getting some pee on it. If it was dangerous, that would be another story, like someone on crutches slipping on it. But I try not to think about hypothetical stuff like that when I'm watching these things. If anything, the naughtiness makes it hotter, and you don't get that level of peril in a bathtub wetting or a back garden wetting. I just wish I got more of her videos before they bit the dust, like all good things do these days. Would you feel the same if someone you knew was having to clean up her messes. If I had a kid working a department store, coming home telling me he had to clean up after my favourite content creator, I'd feel pretty shitty. Knowing my own flesh and blood had to clean up someone else's pee for my enjoyment. You have a pretty selfish standpoint. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy them, but to say whatever, I don't care if someone had to clean up there mess, I think is a bit of a fallacy, what you mean, is as long as it's strangers cleaning up her pee you don't care. Could that I'm wrong, and you're just so self absorbed you don't understand what I just said. amasonbo1, Kyuu, KozmoFox and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Redd 268 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 10 hours ago, LiquidOcelot said: Would you feel the same if someone you knew was having to clean up her messes. If I had a kid working a department store, coming home telling me he had to clean up after my favourite content creator, I'd feel pretty shitty. Knowing my own flesh and blood had to clean up someone else's pee for my enjoyment. You have a pretty selfish standpoint. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy them, but to say whatever, I don't care if someone had to clean up there mess, I think is a bit of a fallacy, what you mean, is as long as it's strangers cleaning up her pee you don't care. Could that I'm wrong, and you're just so self absorbed you don't understand what I just said. Do you feel the same way when a person shopping in a store accidentally spills coffee or drops their soda and doesn't clean it up? I know there is an argument that a bodily fluid is different, but from someone who has been a manager at a retail outlet, I can tell you that it really isn't. You take the big yellow bucket and mop and mop it up. Not that big of a deal. durianfury, Kyuu, ronmeyer and 7 others 3 7 Link to comment
PantsWetter99 83 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I don't think people are so super upset if someone pees themselves, a lot of people might find it funny or at least be sympathetic if they think it was an accident. And she did this because she liked to see reactions like this, it's part of her exhibition kink. If you don't have an exhibition kink, you would disagree, and that's fine but I don't think we should be so quick to judge, especially as a community that also loves pretty similar wetting. It's really not THAT big of a deal. If what she did was illegal, I don't get why. She is not hurting anyone, and there are millions of similar pranks on youtube. Should those also all be illegal? What is the difference between pranking a stranger, even startling them like in a lot of those pranks or peeing your pants in front of them? Peeing your pants seems milder. I personally wouldn't do as public stuff as she, but I won't throw people under the bus who do. Ashi, MadeOfWax, KozmoFox and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment
tmivelaz 316 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 It is a shame that she closed everything down. She was great. But what she could've gone through i don't know cause you have wet scarlet and lexie wetsie that both of them do public wettings Link to comment
tmivelaz 316 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 And it's also like mrsflood who has her own C4S and manyvids. Haven't seen any recent things from her since the first diaper wetting one that was done. Do hope everything is well with her. She had a lot of great content that was made and done. Link to comment
peedipe 79 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 12 hours ago, LiquidOcelot said: Would you feel the same if someone you knew was having to clean up her messes. If I had a kid working a department store, coming home telling me he had to clean up after my favourite content creator, I'd feel pretty shitty. Knowing my own flesh and blood had to clean up someone else's pee for my enjoyment. You have a pretty selfish standpoint. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy them, but to say whatever, I don't care if someone had to clean up there mess, I think is a bit of a fallacy, what you mean, is as long as it's strangers cleaning up her pee you don't care. Could that I'm wrong, and you're just so self absorbed you don't understand what I just said. Yeah sure, I would take it more personally if it was someone I know having to clean it up, or if I had to clean it up, etc. As I wrote in another reply, I agree that it's not a cool thing to do; getting pee on stuff on purpose. I understand why people are offended by it too. I won't watch those videos where someone's on a train or something, with their trousers down, and just pissing all over the seat or something. And I'm also offended by littering, graffiti, breaking things, etc. But a pee puddle on the floor just doesn't offend me much, and the little amount it does, I can brush away out of my mind. It was a while ago, in another country, no one got hurt, and it was sexy. If it's illegal, then that's her problem, and if the shop worker had to get a mop out rather than stand at the till, that was also their problem. It's just not worth thinking about. It's not like that niche of the pee fetish is a big one anyway. I could count on one hand the people that have done stuff in that nice: Scarlett, Brianna, T-Bob, a girl that did it a few times at the back of a bus, and a few one offs, but I can't remember them all now. If it was a big niche and started getting a bit mainstream, like dogging, or munches, then I might feel a bit more like taking a stance, but even then I probably wouldn't, to be honest. I just don't have the time for it these days. Link to comment
Kyuu 6,092 Posted February 22, 2022 👑 Administrator Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2022 11 hours ago, Redd said: Do you feel the same way when a person shopping in a store accidentally spills coffee or drops their soda and doesn't clean it up? I know there is an argument that a bodily fluid is different, but from someone who has been a manager at a retail outlet, I can tell you that it really isn't. You take the big yellow bucket and mop and mop it up. Not that big of a deal. So, because it's not that big of a deal, you're okay with someone intentionally dumping their coffee on the floor, smiling smugly about it and then walking off? Because that's what you're implying. The difference is intent. Having a legitimate accident and intentionally pissing yourself all over someone else's floor and making someone else clean it up because you get sexually aroused by it are not even remotely the same things and the attempts to equate the two here are really grasping at straws to try and justify something that gets you off. KozmoFox, Despguy123, omodaddy and 10 others 13 Link to comment
WetterMesser 1,783 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kyuu said: So, because it's not that big of a deal, you're okay with someone intentionally dumping their coffee on the floor, smiling smugly about it and then walking off? Because that's what you're implying. The difference is intent. Having a legitimate accident and intentionally pissing yourself all over someone else's floor and making someone else clean it up because you get sexually aroused by it are not even remotely the same things and the attempts to equate the two here are really grasping at straws to try and justify something that gets you off. @Kyuu Could you take a look at your DMs? I think my account was demoted from Omo Pro. I had unlimited downloads and the download all option, but now I do not. Link to comment
secretomoact 2,353 Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2022 11 hours ago, Redd said: Do you feel the same way when a person shopping in a store accidentally spills coffee or drops their soda and doesn't clean it up? I know there is an argument that a bodily fluid is different, but from someone who has been a manager at a retail outlet, I can tell you that it really isn't. You take the big yellow bucket and mop and mop it up. Not that big of a deal. Keyword: Accidentally. Years ago I worked at a fast food restaurant. One day, somebody got sick in the bathroom and made a mess. Sucked to have to clean it up, but it was an accident so I wasn't mad at the person and I don't think anyone else was either. Another day, someone deliberately rubbed poop on the wall (I know for a fact it was 100 percent deliberate because they spelled something out with it). Sucked to have to clean it up, and the person chose out of their own free will to do it, so everyone was pissed. There's a major difference between someone making a mess accidentally and someone doing it on purpose. Adding to that that we're talking about kink content here, consent is pretty important and doing this in public where you haven't explicitly gotten permission from everyone to do so really doesn't sit right with me. Hitman Hart, MadeOfWax, Despguy123 and 8 others 11 Link to comment
Paillecia 211 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Yeah, one thing I didn't like about her wettings (as other people have pointed out in here) is that she does it inside a store (intentionally), leaving a mess for someone else (and it doesn't look like she gets permission to do public wettings in those stores). If it was an outdoor store (like a farm or something), or was outside the store in the parking lot or whatever, I wouldn't have a problem with it, since nobody really needs to clean it up (gets absorbed into the dirt, or just dries up on the road and is washed away with the next rainfall). There was someone who posted public wettings sometimes (think it was katie-something? can't remember for sure), and she never did it inside a store. Either on the road or on her own property. Kyuu, WetterMesser, KozmoFox and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Hedonist 1,370 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 8 hours ago, WetterMesser said: @Kyuu Could you take a look at your DMs? I think my account was demoted from Omo Pro. I had unlimited downloads and the download all option, but now I do not. Looks like a new points system. I like it. Either way, I was Omo Pro and I didn't have unlimited downloads and the "download all" option. I could download well enough though. Link to comment
Redd 268 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Kyuu said: So, because it's not that big of a deal, you're okay with someone intentionally dumping their coffee on the floor, smiling smugly about it and then walking off? Because that's what you're implying. The difference is intent. Having a legitimate accident and intentionally pissing yourself all over someone else's floor and making someone else clean it up because you get sexually aroused by it are not even remotely the same things and the attempts to equate the two here are really grasping at straws to try and justify something that gets you off. No, but that is my point. We seem to be really upset at this one person for getting pee on a store floor, albeit, for pleasure and making a video, but still, we are not ranting about the groups of kids that come in after school, disregarding the signs about bring food and drinks from other places, with no intent to buy anything, that loiter and liter while spilling their drinks or leaving crumbs, knocking garments off hangers and other annoying things that some staffer had to fix. Using a mop to clean a puddle on the floor that someone may not even know is pee, it isn't as big s deal or... Perhaps as big a deal as anyone taking something off the shelves, then deciding not to purchase it and sticking back on a shelve somewhere else. Plus, having not seen the videos, did she make them seem like genuine accidents to anyone that saw her? That doesn't change things, but probably few know it was done intentionally. I don't know if that was the case or not though. I'm just saying, at the end of the day, I had to fix a hundred different things each day, where inconsiderate people did inconsiderate things. I don't view what she did as any worse than any of those. KozmoFox, johanhj, knockonthedoor and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment
Kyuu 6,092 Posted February 22, 2022 👑 Administrator Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Redd said: we are not ranting about the groups of kids that come in after school, disregarding the signs about bring food and drinks from other places, with no intent to buy anything Maybe because that in no way has any remote relevance to OmoOrg's subject of interest. "Because we don't complain about <some completely unrelated thing> we shouldn't complain about <a relevant thing often happens within our community>" is a bizarre form of mental gymnastics. 18 minutes ago, Redd said: loiter and liter while spilling their drinks or leaving crumbs To be honest, I can't say I often see teenagers that cannot drink from a cup without spilling their beverage everywhere. Generally, your fine motor control is developed enough not to need sippy cups by that age. 20 minutes ago, Redd said: knocking garments off hangers and other annoying things that some staffer had to fix Okay, well, to start, yes, I would probably look at them as obnoxious twats. Moving on from that though, there's quite a difference between having to spend a couple of seconds picking up clothes that have fallen off a hanger and having to mop up someone's piss stain off the floor. 23 minutes ago, Redd said: Plus, having not seen the videos, did she make them seem like genuine accidents to anyone that saw her? That doesn't change things, but probably few know it was done intentionally. I don't know if that was the case or not though. You're right, the presence of manipulation doesn't change anything. Pretending you did something destructive accidentally doesn't somehow make it any more okay. Not sure what you're going for with this train of logic either. I've seen people make up some flawed justifications for this subject before, but this truly has to be one of the worst attempts I've seen. knockonthedoor, AverageHero, KozmoFox and 6 others 7 2 Link to comment
pm979mp 181 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) On 2/21/2022 at 8:46 AM, Redd said: Do you feel the same way when a person shopping in a store accidentally spills coffee or drops their soda and doesn't clean it up? I know there is an argument that a bodily fluid is different, but from someone who has been a manager at a retail outlet, I can tell you that it really isn't. You take the big yellow bucket and mop and mop it up. Not that big of a deal. Yes, accidentally spilling a consumable beverage and intentionally releasing your bodily fluids into your pants in a public setting because it turns you on - all while causing a complete mess of literal human waste - are both the same thing. What an idiotic fucking take. And to add my two cents on Wet Briana, I was never comfortable watching her videos since it involved unsuspecting (and most likely unwilling) bystanders. Edited February 23, 2022 by pm979mp Removed unnecessary and hurtful comments directed at Wet Briana (see edit history) Kyuu, hytyme, MadeOfWax and 1 other 4 Link to comment
WetDev 77 Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) Sigh, I really didn't want to post here to avoid the usual mob of downvotes but this is just sad. To start, I just want to say that I understand both sides of the argument, and I respect both sides. I don't want to say one side is right or wrong because in my opinion there is no right or wrong in this topic. It is all about morals and morals are subjective. What offends someone might be perfectly fine with someone else. Please understand this and respect everyone even if you don't agree with their opinion. The exception to this is the law and more extreme morals. Obviously I am not okay with breaking the law, murder, etc. But this is an ENTIRELY different discussion that, as Kyuu says, has nothing to do with Omorashi. So why even mention these, or mention things like smearing poop on walls (wtf btw) if it has nothing to do with the discussion? Now, about what I wanted to say: 6 hours ago, Redd said: No, but that is my point. (...) I'm just saying, at the end of the day, I had to fix a hundred different things each day, where inconsiderate people did inconsiderate things. I don't view what she did as any worse than any of those. This part of the post was not addressed, but it is the most important part. This is exactly the point. If someone has "an accident" in front of you, even if deliberate, you will forget all about it in a month's time (unless you have the fetish, in which case you'll probably consider yourself lucky 😛 ). If you work at a store and you have to wipe something off the floor, it's business as usual. I've worked in a restaurant and it was second nature, no questions asked, I didn't even think about what the liquids on the floor could be. Every single hour I would be wiping what could be someone's spilled drink, or someone had an accident, I didn't care. I'm just doing my job and when I go home I don't think anything about "OMG today at work I had to wipe a really strange puddle off the floor and it traumatized me omg I need therapy man". Now, does that mean that it's okay to jerk off at the cost of inconveniencing other people, no matter how minor the inconvenience is? Does this mean it's okay for you to point your camera at a stranger and pee yourself in front of them? For most people in this thread, the answer is clearly no. And that is fine, I respect that opinion. I understand it. Some people however, think differently and have another opinion, but they're not trying to force it on anyone else. It's perfectly fine and reasonable for this forum to say in the rules to not post content that involves public wetting without consent. It's perfectly fine and more than reasonable to not like or want this content. On the other hand, for those who do like this content and have a bit more of a relaxed attitude, there are actually other forums and communities out there that are more accepting and friendly towards it. Don't feel like you are alone. The site is run by a small number of people who know exactly what they want and don't want in the forum, and we have no say on that. Incidentally it is also the biggest in this kink, so sometimes it may seem like the opinions of most people on this site reflect the whole community of this kink. That is not the case, so please don't feel like you're alone and don't feel kink-shamed for thinking differently and having a different opinion. One forum has absolutely no right to dictate what you do or don't like, and what you're allowed to enjoy in a kink. Life is waaay too short for that, trust me on this (I am old :P) About Brianna specifically (and please read at least this if you skipped the above): I would again kindly ask people to be nice to each other and remember that we're all human beings. Name calling and kink shaming can affect someone in more ways than you might think. I know I am a nobody here and shouldn't be asking things, but please at least with this one thing hear me out. For a very long time I had a suspicion that Wet Brianna's account was not only used by her, but also by her partner who recorded the videos and put them on C4S (also writing the descriptions for them). Interacting with her account on VK was always a bit weird, and the replies were a bit unusual but I won't go into detail on that. So whatever was posted by "Wet Brianna" here or on social media, take it with a grain of salt - it might not have been the person you saw on camera, but rather someone behind the camera. She might have not ever asked for pirated videos of other models, but instead her partner did (all we can do at this point is speculate, but see the point below). (almost the TL;DR, very important part): That being said, please consider how your words towards her specifically might affect her if she stumbles across this thread. We don't know what really happened to her specifically, and all we can do is speculate. But think about things like what if she was forced to do the videos against her will? What if she never wanted any part in this? Her reading this thread could have a really negative impact on her mental health if she's already going through some shit. So always be considerate and don't assume anything about models you see perform on camera. Second TL;DR: Everyone has different opinions The forum has rules and taken a stance on this, which I and many others respect Other places exist to share this kind of content more freely. Neither side should judge the other for liking different things. Breaking the law is not cool though. Be happy, live and let live. Be nice to each other ❤️ Sorry for bad English, I just finished work and very tired Edited February 22, 2022 by WetDev spelling (see edit history) TVGuy, Simon prime, warmsuprize and 6 others 7 1 1 Link to comment
Ggggg 1 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Out of curiosity does this change her do not post standing? Seeing as she’s not online anymore. durianfury 1 Link to comment
Redd 268 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Well.....I'll give you there is questionable relevance on this site about other messes although it seemed relevant when discussing how sorry you feel about the person who has to clean up said messes. Then you mention manipulative arguments. Never have my words been so manipulated on this site as they just were, "motor functions". Yeah, ok, I guess you haven't been around a group of adolescents in this setting before. It isn't their motor functions, it's their behavior, hitting each other, non caring, looking at their phones rather then worrying about spilling, leaving wrappers or cups and knocking things over. Look, I was only compelled to say something because I have been that person in charge of an establishment where I had to clean up after people, and I'm my opinion, pee would not be the worst thing and it seemed as though there were quite a few who thought this was the worst thing ever. I shared my point a view and got downvoted a bunch. I apologize for saying anything at all and will agree to disagree and move on. With followers this harsh, I understand why people leave or disappear. Link to comment
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