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Is Female Desperation More Exciting Because of the Often Unfair Nature of It?  

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  1. 1. Is Female Desperation More Exciting Because of the Often Unfair Nature of It?

    • Yes, the struggle and difficulty involved due to the unfairness of her situation makes it more dramatic and exciting with more at stake.
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    • No, I don't consider it a factor one way or the other.
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    • Actually the opposite, when it is unfair I find that aspect of it a turn off.
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I have brought this up before but I thought it deserved its own thread. To me one of the exciting aspects of female desperation is the fact that it's often the result of a woman being in an unfair situation where she has a difficult time using the bathroom simply because of her anatomy or because of situations. Situations involving long lines, not being able to get to the bathroom in a limited amount of time, and all of these other hassles that are unique to women or more common for women when they need to use the bathroom to me make the whole situation more dramatic. It feels like there is more at stake when she cannot easily use the bathroom and her desperation is the result of situations or because of a sex specific reason, that she is holding simply because of the fact that she is a woman in that situation. Especially when she is aggravated and really doesn't want the desperation, to me that seems to make the desperation more exciting and more epic in my opinion, because she is in an epic struggle against her circumstances.


Does anybody else feel that this is the case? This goes for both being in that situation myself or witnessing that situation for me personally. The lack of ease and need to get creative involved in relieving oneself I think is what makes the situation exciting, and as far as my fictional stories go is the main driving action of the plot most of the time. Actually, come to think of it, my real life experiences as well! Conflict and tension are the roots of any good story, whether real or fictional.

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I haven't really thought about it very much, to be honest. I think mostly because I am rarely attracted to women. But I definitely see where you're coming from! I could imagine all sorts of power play dynamics taking advantage of the unfairness with a male dom and female sub. She keeps being denied because the line is too long, or they don't have time or privacy to squat. Very fun.

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@gelpen

"I haven't really thought about it very much, to be honest. I think mostly because I am rarely attracted to women. But I definitely see where you're coming from! I could imagine all sorts of power play dynamics taking advantage of the unfairness with a male dom and female sub. She keeps being denied because the line is too long, or they don't have time or privacy to squat. Very fun."

I hadn't even thought about it in terms of dominant and submissive power dynamics, although those power dynamics naturally come into play in a situation like that in a mixed sex environment. But even just in a regular situation where a woman is desperate and there is a line or no place to relieve herself the desperation to me is more dramatic and exciting simply because it's more of a challenge for her in that situation, whereas a man would probably just go pee in the bushes or something like that. It's a situation I have been in many many many times myself, so trust me I know it very well! And it looks like 75% of the people who took the polls so far seem to agree.

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I guess for me female desperation is quite a bit more hot, although that's most likely because it's more relatable for me personally and because in terms of attraction, I lean more towards femininity.

I don't think that the "unfairness" really plays a part in this for me personally(?), but I do feel like this is something where peoples opinions can be divided on.

 

On the other hand, there definitely is something quite arousing to me, about the pee gushing out, with nothing to hold onto to stop it.

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4 hours ago, DesperateJill said:

I have brought this up before but I thought it deserved its own thread. To me one of the exciting aspects of female desperation is the fact that it's often the result of a woman being in an unfair situation where she has a difficult time using the bathroom simply because of her anatomy or because of situations. Situations involving long lines, not being able to get to the bathroom in a limited amount of time, and all of these other hassles that are unique to women or more common for women when they need to use the bathroom to me make the whole situation more dramatic. It feels like there is more at stake when she cannot easily use the bathroom and her desperation is the result of situations or because of a sex specific reason, that she is holding simply because of the fact that she is a woman in that situation. Especially when she is aggravated and really doesn't want the desperation, to me that seems to make the desperation more exciting and more epic in my opinion, because she is in an epic struggle against her circumstances.


Does anybody else feel that this is the case? This goes for both being in that situation myself or witnessing that situation for me personally. The lack of ease and need to get creative involved in relieving oneself I think is what makes the situation exciting, and as far as my fictional stories go is the main driving action of the plot most of the time. Actually, come to think of it, my real life experiences as well! Conflict and tension are the roots of any good story, whether real or fictional.

Yeah it's true to an extent. It's tough to tell exactly the reason it's arousing though because I'm a male, so I feel like I'm more turned on to women's anatomy in general, I find the differences in body parts between men and women to be interesting and I think that curiosity on these differences really got me into omo.

My parents were extremely conservative and teachers in my region didn't have a standardized sex-ed curriculum (and my teachers were "career teachers" who didn't want to rock the boat on their job, so they wouldn't explain anything at all) so I grew up very inexperienced and curious and my only experience with different body parts and omo used to be TV shows, like Dragon Ball which taught me more sex-ed than teachers lol. 

I suppose it is true though, but I also feel bad for women too. It's exactly as you say, the anatomy makes it hard, some places will always have even street urinals for men but nothing for women (that must be so sad to experience from a woman's point of view, seeing something only one gender can use in public). And the lineups are always horrible for women toilets. As a kid it really got me curious, but nowadays yeah I feel really bad for those situations and I always advocate for more toilets for women, thankfully with new buildings it's slowly improving.

But for me, hmm, it's really the differences in anatomy that turn me on (the fact that I'm turned on by women), not watching people be inconvenienced or suffering because I feel bad for them. Though it sounds weird, I just think it's really fascinating how women can't aim, how it makes a nice hissing noise and sometimes how fast a woman can pee too. I like how my partner will have to squat to aim her pee or lift up her entire skirt/dress, and I like how it sometimes just sprays everywhere all over her legs and feet. The same goes for my partner, she thinks it's really fun watching how men pee, I'll let her aim while I pee and she'll think it's the most fascinating thing ever lol but I guess that's how we are wired.

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As a kid I found both men and women needing to pee intriguing but after it got more sexual I completely lost the interest of men having to pee. 

I have not thought about it super much but sometimes I have wondered about a few friends of mine if they had ever peed outside and had fantasies being in the woods with them being to shy to pee. 
You might have a point there Jill

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I’m a straight male so a big part of me liking women being desperate to pee is due to the fact that I am attracted to women. Aside from that, there is a certain vulnerability and inconvenience that comes with women being caught in a situation like that where they are desperate and can’t just whip it out and piss like the guys can. I’m more turned on by women that are desperate but have great bladder control and can push themselves to hold longer than the average woman. The added obstacle of not having the same bathroom opportunities as men makes it more exciting to a certain degree for sure

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To me? No, it's only more exciting to me because of a combination of it being tied to my sexuality and it having been a lot rarer to see female wettings than male wettings back then. (But then, that said, desperation only really excites me if there can be a wetting to finish it. In fiction I'm disappointed if they make it. In real life I hope they do as I don't want a humiliating wetting forced on anyone, unless I know they don't mind wetting themselves of course, either doing it for fetish purposes or just shrugging/laughing it off.)

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1. Most are men so they are naturally attracted to women.

2. The anatomy of women makes it so they cannot just whip it out and pee anywhere. gotta use an actual toilet and sit on it. 

3. Adding on to 2, Social roles of women. ie being polite, waiting/holding to pee later. simply the submissive nature of some women people find attractive, such as “not allowed to pee, told to pee” etc. 
 

4. Adding on to 3, The clothes women wear. Such as skirts, dresses, tights, panties, even garments like pants. They look attractive, at least to men, by nature. 
 

In a way it could be due to unfairness. 

(Theres nothing in the spoiler, couldnt remove it)

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2 hours ago, notthewees said:

It's a statistical effect.

The majority of people who seek out fetish porn and join fetish forums are cis men.

The majority of men are straight.

Straight men will be more interested in female content.

Female content often references potty parity issues in some way.

On top of that,there seem to be many woman into this fetish as well. I think the reason is also statistics, more woman have to hold it throughout out their lives, so more woman would of discover their latent fetish though their experience.   On a darker note kinks also tend stem from response to trauma. Girls are conditioned to be graceful and quiet on their needs while been hard to relieve themselves. Therefore many of them have to deal with embarrassment and anxiety, over time it morph into a fetish.

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18 hours ago, DesperateJill said:

I have brought this up before but I thought it deserved its own thread. To me one of the exciting aspects of female desperation is the fact that it's often the result of a woman being in an unfair situation where she has a difficult time using the bathroom simply because of her anatomy or because of situations. Situations involving long lines, not being able to get to the bathroom in a limited amount of time, and all of these other hassles that are unique to women or more common for women when they need to use the bathroom to me make the whole situation more dramatic. It feels like there is more at stake when she cannot easily use the bathroom and her desperation is the result of situations or because of a sex specific reason, that she is holding simply because of the fact that she is a woman in that situation. Especially when she is aggravated and really doesn't want the desperation, to me that seems to make the desperation more exciting and more epic in my opinion, because she is in an epic struggle against her circumstances.


Does anybody else feel that this is the case? This goes for both being in that situation myself or witnessing that situation for me personally. The lack of ease and need to get creative involved in relieving oneself I think is what makes the situation exciting, and as far as my fictional stories go is the main driving action of the plot most of the time. Actually, come to think of it, my real life experiences as well! Conflict and tension are the roots of any good story, whether real or fictional.

I don't think so - at least not for me. I'm sometimes turned on by male desperation precisely because they normally have the option to just go. I find it's more about fighting the inevitable, or breaking the will for me. Not in a sense of beating someone down, but rather in seeing someone fighting something that makes them sensitive and vulnerable.

That, and women trying to go standing up is just hot.

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@gelpen

"I could imagine all sorts of power play dynamics taking advantage of the unfairness with a male dom and female sub. She keeps being denied because the line is too long, or they don't have time or privacy to squat. Very fun."

Those last two lines I have given a lot of thought to as it's interesting about how for guys female desperation is always very fun, and even women who enjoy desperation though it's sort of different though just because of the fact that you have to deal with the practical difficulties of it. I think that that's one of the differences, which is why often say that guys get a free show in that regard.


There are few situations where a woman will see really good female desperation where she is not also experiencing it. In a mixed sex company where there is a very long line or no bathroom available it automatically creates this dynamic one way or another even if the person is not into the fetish. As soon as a man and a woman find themselves in need of a bathroom the dynamic immediately is set into place and that is pretty much unavoidable, and I always find the psychology behind these situations to be interesting.


I know that I will probably never be in a situation with a man where he cannot pee and I can but that I will likely always be in a situation or frequently be in a situation where the opposite is the case and it sort of a weird feeling in all honesty. Again guys get to have fun without any of the practical consequences and I kind of wonder what that must feel like.

Like this dynamic was interesting as I often bring up this person that I used to chat with many years ago really like the idea of cranking women or forcing women into desperate situations such as locking ladies room lines and things like that, which actually inspired my first novella!


When he kept bringing up how it would be fun to lock a ladies room to cause extremely long lines and desperation and was telling me how fun it would be and was wondering why I some reticence about the idea he just couldn't see through the fact that in a situation that I would be personally affected, so I feel that when it comes to having fun at women's expenses being a woman and having the anatomy that I do I will always be sort of on the outside looking in, because any situation that affects all of the women still affects me, so in any situation where the guy is having a field day I would inevitably find myself on the receiving end.

I always found that aspect personally varying interesting when it comes to the idea of women having an unfair and difficult time when it comes to going to the bathroom. For guys at the end of the day it's all fun and games but women always have to deal with the practical consequences of that, so the fun is always tempered by having to deal with the fact that you are personally affected by the bathroom situation in a way that a guy never will be, and to me that itself makes it more interesting.

@Cat_Lovwet

"I guess for me female desperation is quite a bit more hot, although that's most likely because it's more relatable for me personally and because in terms of attraction, I lean more towards femininity."

I think that that is the case for me as I am coming at this differently than a cis male heterosexual seeing as I am a lesbian and that I am attracted to women being desperate but I also experienced the desperation myself often, so to me that makes the situation more relatable whether I am experiencing it personally or just witnessing it, I know exactly what she is feeling at that moment.

@John

"Yeah it's true to an extent. It's tough to tell exactly the reason it's arousing though because I'm a male, so I feel like I'm more turned on to women's anatomy in general, I find the differences in body parts between men and women to be interesting and I think that curiosity on these differences really got me into omo."

As a lesbian I have always been more fascinated by lady parts and boy parts but one thing that always interested me even as a child was just how much it made it easier for men to be able to pee because of their anatomy. So I do have a fascination with the anatomy from a different standpoint. In fact there was this one woman I used to talk with when I was desperate would send me videos of men peeing because she knew it just destroyed me, something about seeing that as a woman who has to pee is just really disempowering as you see just how easy it is for the men to relieve themselves and that just makes your own desperation see more frustrating simply because of how much more difficult it is to get out of that situation and relieve yourself.


And then of course of my job where I experienced a year of the guys just peeing in the bushes was just excruciating and really drove the point home just how much easier it is to relieve yourself when you are a guy and just how that little anatomical differences make such a huge world of difference when it comes to something as simple as relieving yourself of a painfully full bladder.

"I suppose it is true though, but I also feel bad for women too. It's exactly as you say, the anatomy makes it hard, some places will always have even street urinals for men but nothing for women (that must be so sad to experience from a woman's point of view, seeing something only one gender can use in public). And the lineups are always horrible for women toilets. As a kid it really got me curious, but nowadays yeah I feel really bad for those situations and I always advocate for more toilets for women, thankfully with new buildings it's slowly improving."

I think that this is a big part of it as well and something that I can really really relate to from personal experiences. I think that one of the situations that makes female desperation so much more dramatic and exciting is simply because of the fact that the ubiquity of urinals and place means that men will always be in a situation where they can usually relieve themselves in most cases, whereas for women there will always be situations where there is a situation where the comes and can relieve themselves and where you might not even if bathrooms are available because of lack of time, lack of adequate facilities or the facilities being able to only be used by men.


So although I have not witnessed street urinals near me I have been in situations where because of urinals men were able to relieve themselves where the women had to keep holding and I think that that is an experience that is pretty much unique to women. I don't think that men have generally been in situations where they have been unable to go to the bathroom while the women were relieving themselves, but for women it's common to have to deal with a situation where the men are relieving themselves and you just have to keep holding on and I think that those are the most dramatic and exciting situation simply because of the fact that they are the most frustrating and infuriating as well.

"But for me, hmm, it's really the differences in anatomy that turn me on (the fact that I'm turned on by women), not watching people be inconvenienced or suffering because I feel bad for them. Though it sounds weird, I just think it's really fascinating how women can't aim, how it makes a nice hissing noise and sometimes how fast a woman can pee too. I like how my partner will have to squat to aim her pee or lift up her entire skirt/dress, and I like how it sometimes just sprays everywhere all over her legs and feet. The same goes for my partner, she thinks it's really fun watching how men pee, I'll let her aim while I pee and she'll think it's the most fascinating thing ever lol but I guess that's how we are wired."

I think it's just natural to be fascinated by these differences. I think one of the things that makes female desperation more exciting because of the difficulty is that women just don't have that added little bit of tubing that makes it easy to relieve yourself. I always thought it was kind of crazy when you think of the anatomy of the situation. Basically men have this hose that they can aim with laserlike precision in any direction and discreetly relieve themselves.


Meanwhile I felt that women by contrast had sort of like the equivalent of having a water can between your legs that only pointed down and not being able to aim it except by having to swivel around your whole body, which is just profoundly inconvenient and inefficient for relieving yourself. I figure the idea of having to relieve yourself with a down pointing water can versus having the option of a hose that you can aim in any direction just makes the whole situation so much more difficult and for that reason a lot more dramatic.

I think going back a little bit to my earlier point about the feelings of jealousy at getting to see men have fun with a situation of female desperation in a way where women have to deal with the practical consequences, the woman that I feel most bad for in a desperate situation, admittedly selfishly, is myself. Other than that I rather enjoyed seeing women in situations where they were aggravated by their desperation, even infuriated by their desperation because it was unwanted, because to me that's the most dramatic of all, having to cope with and deal with an unwanted situation and trying to find some way to cope with the situation.


Of course the extremely cruel and ironic thing is the fact that in the last year as I have experienced being on an entirely the receiving end of that situation due to the practical difficulties of not being able to relieve myself as easily as a woman. So the irony is that I like seeing other women in difficult bathroom situations and for a year it seemed like every woman was having an easy time getting to the bathroom except for me, and to me that was perhaps the most dramatic situation of all as I really learned firsthand what it was like to be in a truly utterly aggravating situation of needing to piss but not being able to simply because of my anatomy, and I have to tell you there is probably no more intense feeling or more dramatic situation to be in than being a woman who can't piss when others can. So as brutal as it was it was also by far the most intense experience ever and something that unless you have experienced it on a regular and persistent basis like that is almost unimaginable even to the average woman I think, and certainly to the average guy!

@Linxsquat

"Aside from that, there is a certain vulnerability and inconvenience that comes with women being caught in a situation like that where they are desperate and can’t just whip it out and piss like the guys can. I’m more turned on by women that are desperate but have great bladder control and can push themselves to hold longer than the average woman. The added obstacle of not having the same bathroom opportunities as men makes it more exciting to a certain degree for sure"

I think it's sort of like the satisfaction of beating a videogame on the high difficulty level. Basically in a peeing situation the difficulty level of easy would be a guy where you basically have no difficulty whatsoever, where is the hard situation is to be a woman who not only has to go to the bathroom more often and feels the desperation more intensely, as evidence shows, but also has fewer opportunities to relieve herself and has to deal with that.


I think that one of the things that I heard time and time again during my bathroom ordeal over the last year where I had to hold it and basically develop a bladder of steel is a lot of people found it fascinating that you had to basically develop a bladder of iron simply to cope with the situation. Just because of the obstacle of not being able to relieve yourself you had to basically become a super holder and I think that a lot of people found that exciting.


Like somebody said I earned my female desperation wings more or less, where as before I enjoyed bathroom privilege is close to a guy seeing as I was at home all the time, where as for the first time I was really experiencing the true depth of abject female desperation experiences of the most extreme nature and I think that everybody would find that more interesting to witness than somebody who was just able to quickly relieve themselves. Somebody who has to hold it to the point where they are literally ready to explode and holding on with every fiber of their being is certainly a lot more dramatic and I experience that personally myself.

@notthewees

"Female content often references potty parity issues in some way."

This is also a big part of it for me personally. When I found out about potty parity was like a spiritual revelation practically. So I think that the difficulty of finding a bathroom and relieving yourself as a woman often is tied up for the fact that women just face these general struggles of equality in general, which has a social justice warrior I think I can actually weirdly enough time my fetish to that aspect of my being, to that frustration and the drama of being in a struggle for equal opportunities and when those don't exist having to struggle harder against the situation which makes it interesting as a struggle for equality almost.


Weirdly something that I have done over time is that I develop sort of a masochistic relationship with potty parity, where sometimes when I am frustrated by the bathroom situation I will read websites about it and go to the comments section and read about all of these people laughing at the very idea of it, mostly guys saying about how potty parity is stupid and thinking to myself that at the end of the day they are probably going to get their wishes where they will continue being able to pee without wait while the women still have to deal with an inadequate number of toilets.


And sometimes I think one day it's going to be go before the Supreme Court and they are going to strike it down and I am going to get like a rage orgasm from that, like the frustration and infuriating of knowing that the ideal of having an equal number of toilets or an adequate number of toilets has been struck down and that there is even greater struggles ahead. It's almost like a cruel form of tease and denial basically knowing that the problem is going to continue and all the holding that you're going to result of that, knowing that it's inescapable like that.


I think in that area I am probably, if not unique probably in the minority though!

@MrPiggy

"2. The anatomy of women makes it so they cannot just whip it out and pee anywhere. gotta use an actual toilet and sit on it."

I have thought about this aspect as well as I remember starting another poll about how I feel that female urination was more intimate to to the fact that we actually have to sit on the toilet. And again just something simple as having to actually have a toilet to sit on like that seems to make things so much more difficult. Men can pretty much go anywhere and improvise the women largely do need a toilet, and the lack of a toilet frequently leads to lots of dramatic situations in and of itself. Again no toilet no problem for men, no toilet lots of holding for women. Women are just more reliant on toilets than men are and that leads to a lot more dramatic situations, frustrating and holding simply because of that one little aspect. And then the toilet also has to be clean…

"3. Adding on to 2, Social roles of women. ie being polite, waiting/holding to pee later. simply the submissive nature of some women people find attractive, such as “not allowed to pee, told to pee” etc."

This to me I think is actually perhaps the single most fascinating aspect that makes the female desperation more dramatic. It's not just because of the practical anatomical difficulties that women face when it comes to going to the bathroom, but as the social expectation of women to hold it in. Women sort of have this social expectation to put off their needs in a way that men usually do not, and not only that but you also have to try to maintain politeness about it even when your bladder is exploding. So a female desperation situation is also more dramatic because on top of needing to find a bathroom a woman also has to cope with the social expectations of holding it as well as maintaining politeness in face of that overwhelming bladder pain.


And again it's rather interesting just how prevailing this is. I always said that as a person who realize this fact I wouldn't be one of those women who just smiles politely and puts up with it, and yet when I find myself in an incredibly long line or when in the bathroom is not available what did I find myself doing, smiling politely and trying to be as pleasant as possible while trying not to explode. It definitely has to be something that is social and cultural but that is very deeply ingrained and difficult to overcome, and that is just another challenge that women face when it comes to getting relief. It's not just getting the relief itself, it's maintaining your composure and dignity while dealing with an exploding bladder while the men around you do not have to deal with a similar situation.


So yes obviously I have thought about this far more than any sane human being would! But I welcome any further thoughts on this as I find the psychology of female desperation especially fascinating.

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2 minutes ago, DesperateJill said:

I think that that is the case for me as I am coming at this differently than a cis male heterosexual seeing as I am a lesbian and that I am attracted to women being desperate but I also experienced the desperation myself often, so to me that makes the situation more relatable whether I am experiencing it personally or just witnessing it, I know exactly what she is feeling at that moment.

I think I get what you mean tbh, cause like I definitely don't fully identify as lesbian, as I am pansexual, but definitely have a strong preference towards women, so I can imagine both me being the desperate person, but also the desperate person being someone I'd be into

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@justpeople

"On top of that,there seem to be many woman into this fetish as well. I think the reason is also statistics, more woman have to hold it throughout out their lives, so more woman would of discover their latent fetish though their experience.   On a darker note kinks also tend stem from response to trauma. Girls are conditioned to be graceful and quiet on their needs while been hard to relieve themselves. Therefore many of them have to deal with embarrassment and anxiety, over time it morph into a fetish."

I think this is a very good point as well, and it's definitely something that applies to me personally. I have talked to numerous people over the years and what I have found is that most women who got into this fetish got into it because of having experienced desperation, where as most men into the fetish got involved in it because they saw somebody, a woman usually, in a desperate situation. And even among heterosexual women it seems like among men and women alike that the majority of people tend to prefer female desperation content, and there is simply just a whole lot more of it and everything.

And of course going along with this thread there is simply just a lot more female desperation in general and it goes with the aspect of the fact that this is something that women generally have to deal with as a regular part of life, some to a very great degree, and they are supposed to do it politely. So not only is there the fact that female desperation is more ubiquitous compared to male desperation, which for all intents and purposes is relatively rare, but female desperation is basically accepted, accepted that women will have this challenge and have to just politely deal with it while men do not, and it is for all of the darker purposes a fetish that you enjoy situations of women in discomfort and embarrassment and frustration that men simply do not generally have to deal with in the same regard.

And I think that a lot of people do developed the fetish as a way of coping with potential trauma and I think that that is the case with me. I use to actually hate desperation and found it frustrating whenever I had to wait to go to the bathroom, but it seemed like the universe saw fit to bombard me with constant female desperation situations from a young age. From my boy cousins getting to pee when I didn't, to the unfair bathroom pass system in my elementary school, to them locking all the girls bathrooms in my high school and then eventually right up to my job where I had to hold it all day while the men did not, it has just been one onslaught of desperate situations after more desperate situations without letting up and I think that has just driven the fetish even further and further, to some degree it's basically a fetish that you deal with madness and frustration, which has a far as fetishes go is kind of a weird thing to get off on, and yet you can't help but be aroused by these situations even if you don't want to be in them specifically, and that sort of like the dark evil nature of the fetish to some degree I think.

And another evil aspect of the fetishes that it is inescapable, and I think that's what makes it also harrowing and dramatic. Like I always said that I would never find myself in a situation where I would hold it all day and then just smile and nod politely, and yet what did I do, going from this bathroom social justice warrior to coming up against the practical reality of it and finding that the only solution sometimes is to just suck it up, cross your legs smile politely and conform to social expectations no matter how frustrating and unfair they happen to be, and as much is you hate to admit it, finding the experience to be exciting simply just because it is so frustrating and aggravating. That's the paradox of female desperation.

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I do have to say, I'm unsure where this idea keeps coming from, and I always see it peddled by the same few users on here specifically and very very rarely by anyone else, or anywhere else on the internet.

Before I even start, I'm going to devils advocate myself and say I do not live in America. Given America as it is, has an absurd population density, I will admit that could have an impact on factors such as bathroom availability in some places. Despite my frequent and varied visits there, where I still did not experience this, I acknowledge some of it could happen due to said immense density...but not necessarily disproportionately between genders.

But the phenomena you post about here, and elsewhere, about women having a more difficult time simply due to things like anatomy and culture, are things I've never seen. Not here, where I live, not anywhere. I've traveled all over North America, and I've never seen any of these situations "unique" to women. Anything that is more common tends to only be very slightly, and I could never describe anything like this as simply being "unfair" due to my birth sex. Not once.

I often see things on this subject also, that are essentially more or less not true. I see a lot of people say things like "Men can get away with it more discreetly," but that more or less is just not true. Those with this assumption need to touch grass. Peeing is not subtle, and if you're pissing in a dark alleyway, I promise you even people across the street can tell when they look in that direction. Other than the position it takes and the setup to do so, there is no difference in the situation. This logic applies to most things on this topic I consistently see posted by the handful.

To give a personal anecdote before I get into other anecdotes, I'm one of many women who have never had any of these problems. I have never been disadvantaged in any of these ways, and in fact go in many of the "convenient" ways The Boys™ do. For example, at my drinking buddy's old apartment, his bathroom was upstairs but his back door was in his living room, and people would often, after a few too many pints, just go out that door and pee just 'round the corner out of sight. I'm willing to bet I did that more than most, as I'm a bit on the lighter side and alcohol tends to go straight through me like there isn't a body in the way of the ground. This goes for essentially every situation that isn't a bathroom one. The disadvantage that you think is obvious, more or less doesn't exist to me. Peeing freely in the wild, despite the omo-community-specific-and-essentially-nowhere-else point of view of it, is not all that different between the sexes. Dropping trou and squatting is only marginally slower than pulling it out, and depending on clothing and positioning, its actually far more obvious that the man is peeing over the woman. Yes, I'm saying that with all seriousness. I've witnessed it enough times in my life on either end to say that with absolute confidence, as I imagine most will who hit up a night on the town. Depending on clothes and outfit a woman's own body is the shield, but I promise you, you can tell when a guy is peeing on a wall from a mile away. Always the same position, and always more pee getting more everywhere due to the gravitational difference. Thus my earlier touch grass comment. Boys, if you're peeing on something, and there's people around and you're wondering, oh gosh I hope they can't tell......They do. Every single one. Even the government satellites overhead.

In addition much goes the same for the bathroom. Since we're on the personal anecdotes, I find men take longer in the bathroom. Its true. I've had multiple friends corroborate the same sentiment. This, from what I understand, is more of a group mentality thing. The actual 'ritual' does not have as much of a time difference to actually be significantly different. Pulling down, sitting, and peeing is not the slow slow agonizing process that some people on this site seem to think it is, and that's a sentiment that's always driven me insane. If one were to time that and just that, in comparison, the woman would be out not long after the man. Quite soon after in fact, if both aren't gross and wash their hands and go about things with normal and average efficiency, with the exception that I promise you most of us check our phones during the process. As far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, boys don't check their phone in the bathroom as much as women do, just as a point of devil's advocacy. While I recognize that a bathroom can fit more urinals than stalls, given what I've said above I've never seen the mythical sight of the mens room having no line while the womens has a large one, nor in all of my pee knowledge (of which at this point there is A LOT) can I actually logistically conceive why. Most of the reasons given for this, I find, are outright falsities and assumptions that rarely, if ever, come into any sort of meaningful play. Exaggerations is another word I could use. As for the group mentality, women are more wont to go to the bathroom in groups. We don't like going places alone, for very good reason, but that's definitely a conversation for another thread, I assume you're picking up what I'm putting down here. Dilly dallying during this point is often more of an intermission, a breather, fix your face and hair after doing your business and regroup with the pack. Thing is, people aren't going to wait in a line to do that. At least, I assume so as a matter of personal induction; nobody has the patience to stand in line for whatever commonly cited omo number of minutes to regroup. If they're in a line for that long, theyre peeing and leaving, and if theyre peeing and leaving, most times, there isn't a line. You get what I'm saying there? In contrast, in my personal experience, all it takes is two boys to take 8000 years until the edge of the universe. To get slightly unprofessional, boys can be pretty dumb. They go in the bathroom and instead of regrouping, they're recreating Savage vs Hogan or something and generally being big ol' ruffians; their bathroom culture is far different....and contrary to popular belief, if all the times I've been abandoned for two whole drinks while my drinking buddy and his brother were being morons in the bar restroom are to be believed, take far longer than any time I've had to wait on a group of gal pals. THEY are out reasonably quick.

Now onto the NON-personal anecdote part:

This is both a matter for and against my point. I've been in this community for seven years. Most of it as staff, vetting between 40 and 80 posts every single morning for all those years, and then further browsing even more. I have read, at this point, every single pee-take under the sun. Multiple times. I've gotten to know people of most nations, cultures, populations. I've read the horrendously obviously fake (In this day and age, on this forum, I outright disbelieve more than half of what I read. You see the patterns after awhile.) and the most genuine articles. I sit in a chair like the architect from The Matrix, with a thousand screens of every pee-thing known to man, and not only is it at my fingertips, I'm obligated by my job here to imbibe it. To consume it and absorb it. While I'm sure my rampant disbelief of most of the nonsense I read (and I know a good amount of you know the nonsense I mean) causes a sort of bias in this sort of conversation, where me disbelieving everything I read or hear you say on this subject could simply be a systematic issue due to my position, everything I've heard in open and honest communication from those all over the world has simply corroborated everything I've said above. I used to, even within recent times, believe I was an edge case, but no. Every conversation, I've had with people globally, has pointed to me to this. In some cases, its even completely flipped. Let me give you an example, in that I know two people from this forum who currently reside in Spain; I will not say who, as I'd think they would not want their whereabouts to be public post information. But I have heard, from both, that even as a matter of culture, it seems women will pee outside borderline more than the men do, almost freely! Coming from where I do, where outdoor peeing is a downright rarity as again, in my situation there's no shortage of bathrooms essentially EVER, I almost didn't believe it until the second Spaniard backed it up with the same information. I did not believe it until I was convinced. This phenomenon remained consistent across every single cultural bubble I interacted with; never did I hear of the "unfair" situations, or of cultural taboos frowning upon relief in a certain way so hard a woman wouldn't dare of it, or incredibly unequal bathroom lines, never of such extreme biological difficulty that it was an outright impediment, or situations where she would have to hold where a men wouldn't have to; in essentially all cases, the women could go for the same reasons as the men, and in some cases such as in Spain did so even more, commonly and downright freely. If this happens at all, it must be simply the most population dense areas in places such as the united states, and do not at all account for the majority of the country, let alone at all in any other.

The only place I've encountered the opposite to such an extreme degree...is posts like this on omorashi.org. omorashi.org, for obvious reasons, has fascination with women being unable to go to the bathroom, so takes like this are common as its what the populace focuses on. But when you get down to the level of the person and gather information from trusted sources, what you end up finding out is that this standpoint is essentially 90% fantasy. I cannot in good conscience vote for any of these options, because there's no options that say "No, because personal experience supported by 7 years of data suggests this does not happen in such an impactful way with enough commonality to be anything but wishful thinking and fantasy." With the frequency topics like this come up I'm surprised nobody else seems to have the equal frequency of having it protested in conversation by a staggering number of individuals like I do. Then again, and I don't mean to point fingers, this sort of topic seems to always be posted by one of the member group that seems fascinated by it, which I will admit without accusing, makes it seem on the surface to be more biased and frequently fabricated.

And before someone says "But what about a bottle in a car! Thats a man thing!" I will gladly say no, I have also done that. Women can easily do that. The issue we need to look out for is positioning and not to make a seal. What I mean by that is, if we press say a bottle too hard against ourselves to pee in it, we can create a seal around the opening, which is quite bad. Keep in mind, air does in fact take up space. If you pee into a bottle after forming a seal, the bottle will swell in response as the air tries to escape  and it will force itself out of the way. Which will make a mess that is a real bitch to clean in your car. There's your fun niche trivia of the day.

But yeah. TL;DR I have absolutely 0 reason to believe any of this is common, in fact from my long years on this site and interactions with its community, it seems to be nearly untrue.

It would be a fascinating point to gather data on however; this is not at all a point of interest for me (as from my point of view it is scarcely a point at all), so I did not know just how much I had to say on this subject until seeing the subject yet again bothered me enough to say something, and I typed a very long time. This isn't even a subject I deliberately research, it is simply one that often comes up in conversational omorashi circles (such as say, the discord and between people in it whenever its higher echelon actually talks about pee for once). I'm willing to bet if I actually made an effort into pursuing this topic in specific effort I could find out far, far more.

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@KozmoFox

To be fair on a day-to-day basis it's not a real huge issue 98% of the time. Living in the suburbs the majority of places I go are not very crowded and this is not generally an issue on a day-to-day basis, although granted I am not a person who even really gets out of the house all that much. Most of these situations that I bring up our situations that involve really crowded places or places where there is a limited amount of time to use the bathroom, which account for the majority of the personal experiences I have seen and witnessed and heard about from others.


Again personal experience varies from individual to individual. I've chatted with a lot of people about this over the years and most people's experience that I've chatted with seems to align with what I have experienced, albeit my case is more of an extreme situation than most.


Naturally when you talk about these things in an omorashi community you are going to be talking about the more extreme situations. Again until relatively the last year my desperate experiences were relatively few and far between, where I had maybe one or two major memorable ones a year. So yeah I'm not saying that this is an every day saying where you see it every single place you go everywhere you go, I am mostly referring to really crowded places and things of that nature, things that admittedly are few and far between, and it may just seem like it is talked about more because this is a community where people talk about those experiences specifically.


If you go out every day and hardly go anyplace crowded or see any really extreme situations you're not going to be posting about those because there is nothing to post about. But when you see a good sighting that is what you end up posting about in a place like this.


And again I think that it does vary a lot based from culture to culture, as I think that America tends to be worse than most places in regards to bathrooms. But you are right that in most suburban areas bathroom access is not a major problem on a regular basis.


However I have seen from my experiences when I have been to the city, which admittedly hasn't been a very long time and almost always to crowded places like Broadway and things of that nature, finding a bathroom has always been rather arduous. And outdoors it's always a situation as well. But in the day today suburbs you are right that it's not really a major issue or a major difficulty.


I have found myself in a lot of unfortunate situations in this regard though in that I grew up with mostly guys and my experience has been that guys can use the bathroom pretty much in the blink of an eye. I still remember one time I was waiting on line at the mall and my friend was in and out in like 30 seconds literally. I have never really seen a guy take a long time using the bathroom.


And for that part I have never really seen any woman pee outdoors and until the last year or so I really witnessed any men peeing outside on a regular basis either other than my cousins when I was younger. In my experience with both sexes it seems to be rare to witness them going outside unless they happen to be outside and away from a bathroom for a very long stretch of time.


So again I do think that experiences vary. I happen to have a bad situation with the bathroom when I was in high school that is probably extreme and maybe not that in common, although a lot of people have told me otherwise that it was extremely common. And then I went on to a job where the bathroom access was limited, which provided me with more desperation experiences than in one year then probably the entire rest of my life combined. But naturally when you think of your entire life you'll think of experiences that stand out and build up over time. Again, rare admittedly, but over a course of a life you remember the experiences that stand out.


So yes I fully acknowledge that these are extreme situations that are probably outliers and not the common everyday experience. But having talk to people in these communities for years and years and gone from websites including non-fetish ones, my experience has borne out what I have talked about and observed. To be fair I fixate on it more than a lot of people because I just tend to fixate on things in general, but my experiences and the experiences of those I have chatted with over the years has given me an opposite perspective from the one that you have come across.


But again I realize that these again are outlying situations, and I think there is a great deal of cultural variation, and I think that in America bathroom related things are still a lot more taboo in general.

Also in regards to bathroom lines I took a poll running for over a decade (and not a fetish poll specifically but a general one) and the results also bare out what I have observed.  https://www.misterpoll.com/polls/540072/results

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For me, yes 100%. Some of my favourite fantasies nowadays revolve around this concept, especially if there's men involved who can go really easily, (big fan of "a desperate girl in urinal land", btw.) I think that this is why I (a bisexual) prefer to see desperate girls and peeing guys. I love it when men pee nonchalantly without even thinking or making a mess. It's just a great juxtaposition when there's desperate men and women together.

I do however like it when things are switched up. I adore women peeing like men, and seeing men in situations commonly reserved for women is pretty hot too.

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7 hours ago, PrincessPEEach said:

This might possibly be one of my favourite posts of 2021. 😂😭😆
 

For whatever reason (actually for lots of reasons…) these kinds of threads annoy me to no end….to the point that their usual authors comprise almost the entirety of my blocked users list. I’m glad I noticed this rant…made my day. 🙌

It made the cut just in time, huh?

Seriously though, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks we've been getting a lot of these threads lately. I don't hate them, but it does get a little repetitive.

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I don't want to start anything here, but the sexism in these posts are starting to get old. Why do some of us on this website choose to tell themselves that they are at some sort of major disadvantage in life because they are women? When it comes to bathroom seeking abilities a man's experience and a woman's experience aren't all that different.

No, women's bathroom lines aren't all that common.

No, men's bladders' are not any larger.

No, men cannot pee wherever they want.

 

I want to leave you with one of my old comments from another post assuming something relatively similar:


 

Not to get defensive here, but.....

It kind of bothers me when women assume that men "can pee wherever they want".  Squatting for women and unzipping for men are just as physically easy to do. 

 

Why don't you see women squatting all the time? Because there are people around.

Why don't you see men unzipping everywhere? Because there are people around.

 

This matters more on the level of decency an individual has rather than the sex. For me personally, if I was with a female friend I would rather pee in my pants than expose myself and pee in front of her.

 

On another note; If a man is sitting in the drivers seat of a car it is extremely difficult to pee in a bottle. Please read my story to find out what happened when I tried!

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