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Is a Desperate Woman Being Sexually Objectified and Reduced to Her Bladder?


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This is like a weird topic even coming from me, but I was watching all of these videos about sexual objectification on YouTube and that got me thinking, if you enjoy seeing a woman squirming and jiggling around in desperation and all you can think about is the fact that she has a very full bladder are you somehow sexually objectifying her? I have to admit I have been guilty about that as well so I couldn't really be mad at people who might have done that to me, but it was something I was just thinking about today and I thought I would ask everybody else with their thoughts are on that.

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Well obviously if you're watching anything for pornographic reasons then of course you're seeing her as sexual. But unless you're watching involuntary content which isn't allowed on this site, she chose to allow this recording of herself to be put on the internet for us to enjoy, so she's not being exploited at all and in fact is gaining appreciation from us.

Where is gets a bit more difficult is with seeing female desperation and wetting in real life, which I have a lot thanks to having friends who drink a lot of beer. Sometimes I have seen a hot woman have an accident and derived enjoyment from it which she was not aware of, and even encouraged my friends to wet themselves when walking home at night while drunk if I don't think they can get to a toilet, to spare them bladder pain. But does that really do any harm, compared to them suffering even longer before probably having an accident anyway? Alcohol and wet panties really do go together, and my friends are generally pretty shameless about pee.

The only time I would really object is the kind of behaviour that is not allowed on this site, like guys trying to make cute girls pee/poo themselves by not telling them where the toilet is or charging them too much to go in. A lot of omorashi videos here in China have plots like this, which is hot in a fantasy but quite horrible in reality if the poor woman isn't into it. That's gross and definitely wrong. I know I shouldn't have to say "don't act out fantasy omorashi videos with random strangers", but some guys really need to have it spelled out for them...

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I watch very little porn except wetting videos or videos that are descriptions of desperation or wettings. If I know the woman personally I am very sympathetic unless there is bad blood between us. If I don’t know the woman I may well objectify them and fantasize about them.

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Maybe it is wrong, but if said woman is in public and as long as males are only looking and not engaging to prolong the woman’s wait I don’t see the harm, I didn’t fill her bladder up, I didn’t make her desperate in public, I didn’t do anything, just an inoccent bystander..

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Desperation is generally more interesting to me if I know something about the person, since having to hold it for too long has often been an emotional experience for me, knowing the person and how they feel is important to me. When my partner is holding it for me, I don't think I'm objectifying him at all, since so much of it is based in trusting one another, challenging each other, and sharing the experience together. 

But, I definitely feel way too much guilt if I fantasize about a stranger in public because it feels so objectifying. If I see anybody else looking super desperate in public, I mostly just feel bad for them. I don't want to stare, because it just feels wrong to do that when they're probably already really embarrassed. 

Desperation videos are a little different, since if they consented to be filmed bursting to pee then I know the performer doesn't mind that people are fantasizing about them. Maybe that is a little objectifying since I know nothing about the performer outside of the fact they have to pee, but from a moral standpoint I don't think it's quite the same since they chose to show themselves that way. 

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41 minutes ago, SoBursting said:

Maybe it is wrong, but if said woman is in public and as long as males are only looking and not engaging to prolong the woman’s wait I don’t see the harm, I didn’t fill her bladder up, I didn’t make her desperate in public, I didn’t do anything, just an inoccent bystander..

Basically this. Don't act like the guys in omorashi videos who deliberately try to misdirect women until they pee themselves, but if you just happened to see a wetting and get turned on by it it's not big deal.

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I'm probably too drunk for this, so here comes Feminist Bismiris!

Miriam Webster's dictionary defines "objectify" as: ": to treat as an object or cause to have objective reality 'They believe that beauty pageants objectify women.'"

In the case if adult videos, as @China Girlmentioned, as long as she is consenting to filming there is no objectification in play.

In the case of public desperation, I would also say no. Someone desperate to pee isn't inherently sexual to a majority of the population. It just happens. As do accidents. Taking pleasure in it does raise some deeper philosophical questions, but ultimately as long as you are not prolonging said desperation nonconsensually there is nothing wrong with observing.

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8 hours ago, DesperateJill said:

 if you enjoy seeing a woman squirming and jiggling around in desperation and all you can think about is the fact that she has a very full bladder are you somehow sexually objectifying her?

It probably doesn't come as a surprise, but as soon as I realize the female's desperate to pee, I can't help but feel excited. A lineup to the ladies is sure a treat, watching their body language and what not. The girl having a full bladder automatically gets +100 sex appeal with me, even she doesn't have a lot in the good looks department. It's a blessing and a curse really.

This fetish is essentially a part of me and I can't imagine myself without it. I had my girlfriend who I've seen for years arrive on each and every date with a full bladder. She would be dying for a pee, but would never go without permission, even if there were toilets nearby. She enjoyed making me happy and would do it even when not asked to. It can be said with certainty I can't imagine a relationship with a girl that is not into this fetish or is not willing to engage in it to make me happy.

But, and here comes your question - does that reduce my girlfriend to her full bladder? Well, certainly not. I'm firm in my belief that you get into relationship with people, not their bladders. You can't get into relationship based on fetishes alone, that simply wouldn't work out. I believe sexual objectification simply doesn't apply when we're talking about relationships as they're much deeper than that.

Now, a sex worker, a B2B model, a cam girl, a streamer with OnlyFans who holds her pee for money - she knows what she's doing and why she's doing it, sexual objectification is in the job description. I can't say I am "reducing her to her full bladder" because her bladder is, essentially, the only part of hers I'm interested in - she knows it and she's fine with it.

The only grey area thus are those ladies pee dancing in the toilets line I mentioned in the beginning. I am getting aroused by them - surely without their consent, and even without that of my own! And sometimes the only reason I feel attraction to them are indeed their full bladders. So yes, to rephrase, in her moment of desperation, a woman is indeed being reduced to her bladder for me. 

Should I feel guilty about it? Should I repent? Absolutely not. That's how I am. How I always have been. Must live in peace and know thyself. Constant guilt for "getting aroused without the desperate girl's consent" is a ticket to the mental clinic. I believe whatever fetish you practise, it's fine as long as you don't harm yourself or others.

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Two girlfriends initiated peeing while I watched.  Peeing together was a component in a complex relationship between us.  I don't feel like I objectified them.

In the case of a woman in a porn video, she may have done it because she was desperate for income.  We have times of 6% unemployment according to government statistics.  The real figure is higher.  The government no longer counts people as job seekers after they've been unsuccessful for some number of months.  This is not to complain.  No human endeavor works perfectly.  But the woman may have made a video she would rather not have made.

Another nasty situation is revenge videos.  A girlfriend makes a video just for her boyfriend.  Later they breakup.  The guy is angry and posts the video to the Internet.  Where I don't know the other person at all, I can only objectify or sexualize the person.  I'm not comfortable with that.

I consider Omorashi.org special.  There's no incentive to post other than wanting to.  Each participant can get to know others (or their online personas).  It's a sharing thing.

 

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12 hours ago, Bismiris said:

Miriam Webster's dictionary defines "objectify" as: ": to treat as an object or cause to have objective reality 'They believe that beauty pageants objectify women.'"

In the case if adult videos, as @China Girlmentioned, as long as she is consenting to filming there is no objectification in play.

Consent isn't the issue. Just because someone has consented it doesn't mean they are NOT being sexually objectified. Some argue that ALL porn, irrespective of whether or not a person involved has consented to being filmed or having pictures taken, is by definition sexual objectification.

In the adult industry, the film-maker or the photographer is the one who is sexually objectifying the person.

And - perhaps more importantly - it is US, the voyeurs, who are doing the objectifying. That remains true even if the person is consenting to being watched. WE are sexually objectifying the person. It's on US. Not them. Their consent doesn't come into it.

In the Miriam Webster example, the women in the beauty pageants all consented to be there and take part in the competition. It's the pageant itself and the organisers who are objectifying the women, and it's those of us who watch and vote and compare their beauty who are objectifying them.

As the Miriam Webster quote suggests - it's about how we TREAT and OBSERVE the person, not how they themselves think about what they are doing.

12 hours ago, Bismiris said:

Someone desperate to pee isn't inherently sexual to a majority of the population. It just happens. As do accidents. Taking pleasure in it does raise some deeper philosophical questions, but ultimately as long as you are not prolonging said desperation nonconsensually there is nothing wrong with observing.

It's the taking pleasure in it that is the sexual objectification. It is very much on the voyeur- the person watching. There may be nothing wrong with observing, but it's the observing - and the way you observe - where the sexual objectification takes place.

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There's really no point in pearl clutching over being turned on about women needing to pee, or having an accident, on a fetish site. I do agree a line needs to be drawn over acting like the dicks in omorashi videos who think it's funny to hold up cute women who need the toilet until they pee their skirts, but that's just basic decency and anyway is covered by the site guidelines already. Generally I would say this site does a great job of being accepting to women and not allowing creepy or unethical content (underage TikToks of girls discovering wetting and the like). I honestly feel really bad for girls getting into omorashi at the moment, since they might be tempted to share a wetting video on TikTok when they're underage and then get horrible comments from older men jacking off to it rather than the boys/girls their age that they're trying to turn on with it. And it's so hard to convince teens to be responsible on the internet.

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I agree that as long as it's consensual it's nothing wrong with that as I think everybody sexually objectified somebody sometimes. I suppose watching a person desperate in public who might not want to be desperate it gets into questionable territory, but I figure if you are doing something in public and you are on display in public like that it's no crime to watch people squirming like that. That's why even if people enjoyed me in a seriously desperate state I am not going to get mad at them for enjoying something that I would enjoy seeing if it was someone other than me. Filming it might be more questionable, but if you are doing something in public you take that chance I guess.


But I bring this up particularly because for people with this fetish I am thinking that when you see a woman desperate you are thinking mostly of her as a desperation character almost. You aren't thinking about the deeper aspects of their lives, you're mostly just thinking it's kind of hot seeing her desperate or something like that.


I think the problem is when you start objectifying people all the time, like if every woman you see all you think about is her sexually then that's a major problem and on a societal level it is kind of a major problem. But I guess I have just been watching a lot of videos about this topic lately and it got me thinking, does it apply to desperation as well, and I am thinking that yes it kind of does, basically to any situation where you view somebody sexually really.

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6 hours ago, Zipzop said:

Consent isn't the issue. Just because someone has consented it doesn't mean they are NOT being sexually objectified. Some argue that ALL porn, irrespective of whether or not a person involved has consented to being filmed or having pictures taken, is by definition sexual objectification.

That is true. It is the choice of the creator that makes it morally acceptable to be aroused by it. In this instance the moral standpoint does not change the act of objectification. In fact the objectivity of the subject may never change, regardless of consent or any power dynamic present because it is their action that is the subject of arousal, not the individual themselves.

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5 hours ago, ed2 said:

At the very bottom, isn't all sexualization by definition a degree of objectification? I think it is. What matters is how you act upon it, how you deal with the person you are objectifying.

Well, kind of, but sex is fun. I don't know why anyone would make it out to be a bad thing, as long as the woman is having a good time too.

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30 minutes ago, China Girl said:

Well, kind of, but sex is fun. I don't know why anyone would make it out to be a bad thing, as long as the woman is having a good time too.

I don't make it out to be a bad thing, I would argue for the conterary. To me it is kind of pointless to talk about having a moral standpoint on what is accepted to objectify, and get aroused by. Whether it was their intention to get sexualized or not. These things happens all the time, subconciously, fetish or no fetish. A guy fantasize about a hot girl he briefly saw in the bar, or vice versa. It is impossible to control the persiever's thoughts. The only thing that matters is how we treat and behave towards other people.

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I've had feelings along the lines of the original question for a long time now. I've dealt with them in my recent fiction by putting the omo into the context of relationships, so that while it's all sexual, it's not just sexual.

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On 6/10/2021 at 7:28 AM, DesperateJill said:

This is like a weird topic even coming from me, but I was watching all of these videos about sexual objectification on YouTube and that got me thinking, if you enjoy seeing a woman squirming and jiggling around in desperation and all you can think about is the fact that she has a very full bladder are you somehow sexually objectifying her? I have to admit I have been guilty about that as well so I couldn't really be mad at people who might have done that to me, but it was something I was just thinking about today and I thought I would ask everybody else with their thoughts are on that.

 

Maybe.

Then again, that could also be said of anything. Skin color, size, heck, even the shoes someone wears..

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On 6/10/2021 at 10:47 PM, segaface said:

Desperation is generally more interesting to me if I know something about the person, since having to hold it for too long has often been an emotional experience for me, knowing the person and how they feel is important to me. When my partner is holding it for me, I don't think I'm objectifying him at all, since so much of it is based in trusting one another, challenging each other, and sharing the experience together. 

But, I definitely feel way too much guilt if I fantasize about a stranger in public because it feels so objectifying. If I see anybody else looking super desperate in public, I mostly just feel bad for them. I don't want to stare, because it just feels wrong to do that when they're probably already really embarrassed. 

Desperation videos are a little different, since if they consented to be filmed bursting to pee then I know the performer doesn't mind that people are fantasizing about them. Maybe that is a little objectifying since I know nothing about the performer outside of the fact they have to pee, but from a moral standpoint I don't think it's quite the same since they chose to show themselves that way. 

I also feel bad for a stranger in their situation, and although their already feeling a bit embarrassed I’m intrigued to know how desperate, how long have they been like that, what are they feeling and thinking, will they decide to embarrass themselves further by squatting as they can’t wait any longer or will they hold on as long as possible, and I agree it is better if I know the person and they are vocal about their situation, phrases that explain what they are feeling make all the difference,

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Also separating fantasy from reality is important in cases like this. I've shared a massive fuckload of Chinese omorashi content recently and it's pretty hilarious how most videos have the exact same plot; a cute girl is desperate to pee/poo and then some annoying guy refuses to tell her where the toilet is or won't let her use it until she eventually ends up having an accident. There are exceptions but that tends to be the storyline. Obviously if it happened to a woman in real life who's not into this kink, it would be really unpleasant. But in the context of a sketch video made by people who think pee is funny or sexy or both, it's just harmless fun.

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OK, maybe this is controversial, but I think the world has gone bonkers about minor infringements of liberty like 'objectification', and forgotten the things that really matter.

Thus recently a large number of women 'came out' and described how they had been raped in school and there didn't seem to be any easy option for them to deal with this, so they just kept quiet. I am sure these schools would have policies about all sorts of 'microaggressions' but in the end the really bad stuff got covered up.

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I would err on the side of "yes", if it's in public and someone you don't know, then it's kinda weird to enjoy watching them desperate.

Even if it's a friend of mine then I still don't enjoy it, I'm always nice and tell them where the closest washroom is, often I'd host parties and women are desperate, I'd tell them about the private bathrooms in my house of course. At other parties I go to, I see women squatting outside because there's no toilets available sadly and I don't really enjoy watching that either.

But if I was dating a woman and we were both into it, then it's fine and fun. 

I think it's because I have a spouse who loves omo so I don't really enjoy watching anyone else that much anymore, and I only do omo with my spouse if she's in the mood for it. Like any other kind of fetish or kink we will have phrases to know if she's scared of wetting in public and if she really needs a bathroom in public, usually we'll do omo and desp stuff in the comfort of our house. 

If it's a staged video that's fine to watch too because they're putting up the content, there's a lot of great independent content creators out there. 

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6 hours ago, David_E said:

OK, maybe this is controversial, but I think the world has gone bonkers about minor infringements of liberty like 'objectification', and forgotten the things that really matter.

Thus recently a large number of women 'came out' and described how they had been raped in school and there didn't seem to be any easy option for them to deal with this, so they just kept quiet. I am sure these schools would have policies about all sorts of 'microaggressions' but in the end the really bad stuff got covered up.

I agree. There are all kinds of covered up rape scandals here involving party officials and the like. There are whole trafficking rings of North Korean women taken by smugglers and married off to local men. Who even cares about people enjoying a harmless wetting video?

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I never said that objectification was always bad or that there was anything wrong about enjoying someone being desperate to pee in public, we all do it, I'm just saying that sometimes it can become a problem. Obviously it's not as bad as people covering up rape but a culture of sexual objectification can lead to the whole idea of rape culture in the first place that allows these things to happen, as they don't happen out of a vacuum.

Again a little bit of sexual objectification is not a bad thing and it's just a natural part of seeing people as sexual beings, but if you persistently start sexually objectifying all women and stuff like that on a regular basis that is the thing that can lead to dehumanization and leading to rape and coverups and horrible things of that nature.


But again I didn't mean to imply that enjoying desperation or enjoying a woman desperate is necessarily going to lead to rape or anything like that, I am just saying that everything is good in moderation, but if you take it beyond that it can lead to lots more terrible things.

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