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This is definitely my best desperation (of a stranger) sighting over the last few years. 

So, the bus ride scenario is pretty popular and this is what it was. I was waiting at the bus stop and my bus was already late. When it finally arrived maybe 20 minutes behind schedule, I hopped in with my luggage and made my way towards ticket machine. Due to pandemic, some seats had to be left vacant so I spotted perhaps the last suitable seat near the driver. Sitting across the aisle from me, there she was. An attractive, but not super-pretty girl: around 20, white sneakers, tight black pants, light jacket, long curly dark hair, hazel eyes, tanned skin, probably around 5'6/167 cm tall, rather curvy than skinny but definitely not overweight. I instantly noticed she was acting kinda nervous. And then I remembered her from the bus stop - she was shaking her head disapprovingly because the bus wasn't arriving. 

As soon as I spotted her, she put her one hand somewhere in her belly region (I coudn't really see because she held a shopping bag in her other hand) and I am pretty sure she either undid her pants button or loosened her belt, because it took her few seconds to do what she did. Back then, she didn't look really nervous or in pain, but rather annoyed. Drew out her smartphone and started typing. Then, she waited for the reply. She tapped her fingers on the seat next to her. She texted again - but now it looked more intense or even furious. When she was done writing her message, she looked around. She was sitting with her back to the driver, so she would turn her head back and assess the traffic (which was moderate), and she would just mumble something to herself. Then she would be back to furious texting. And then, she started doing the thing we all love - fidgeting with her legs. She moved her legs up and down, not very fast, but enough to be the subject of my tunnel vision. She wasn't fidgeting constantly, but she was changing her position pretty often - however, she never just once crossed her legs. 

And that's what it looked like for the next 20 minutes. Most of the time, traffic checking. Furious texting. Mumbling. Occassional fidgeting and a lot of balance shifting on her seat. Sometimes, making faces - and her emotions shifted from annoyance to suffering. The guy across me had left, so I changed seats and I was able to watch her even better, albeit less discreetly. I even managed to establish eye contact with her but she looked focused on her plight so she would quickly look away - and I wouldn't rule out the possibility she knew that I knew. 

My stop was the last stop. I was quite sure she wasn't going that far, because she didn't look familiar to me, but with every bus stop, I was hoping it just wasn't her stop yet. By now, she was looking more and more desperate, and I think she started considering hopping off early. But, she held on. We were 3 bus stops from the last one, when she finally stood up. I somehow felt this was her stop she had been waiting for. Perhaps she already alerted her family to open the door for her? She did stand up a bit awkwardly, not straightening up instantly but rather unfolding herself before fully stretching out, and making a really painful face. 

Waiting for the bus to pull over, she was standing right behind me. Fortunately, there was some argument in the back of the bus so I had an excuse to look behind - and that's what I did. The girl was focused on her plight so she didn't really care, but there she was, less than 2 feet from me. I scanned her carefully - her top was a bit short so I could see her tanned belly. I don't think my mind was playing tricks on me when I saw her belly was visibly swollen (but not super-bulging) and I think I caught a glimpse of her black lacy panties. Honestly, I am pretty surprised I was brave enough to keep looking at her for so long (in reality, I think it was less than 2 seconds). 

There she was, standing right behind me, a bit bent over with her one leg moved slightly backwards - so desperate to pee! As soon as the bus pulled over, she hopped off. You think I should've followed her? Well I had my luggage with me, and i just wanted to be home. So I looked through the window hoping she would walk in the same direction the bus was going... only to see her running. She wasn't sprinting, but she was running faster than your average jogging pace. The bus drove past her, and it felt really great to see her running home after struggling to hold her pee just next to me. 

Hope you enjoyed!

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6 hours ago, KozmoFox said:

Absolutely not. I recommend everyone present take a closer look at our rules & guidelines page.

Ok, understood. I don’t want no trouble here. 
 

However, just out of curiosity - what happens if people completely anonymize a video/photo, i.e. if they alter the content to the point of the person being totally unrecognizable? 
 

This is quite popular in TV news footage, random people get their faces blurred in post-production so they cannot get recognized - and cannot sue. 
 

Basically, most laws allow recording and publishing photos and footage taken in a public setting. 

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53 minutes ago, thinkpadman said:

Ok, understood. I don’t want no trouble here. 
 

However, just out of curiosity - what happens if people completely anonymize a video/photo, i.e. if they alter the content to the point of the person being totally unrecognizable? 
 

This is quite popular in TV news footage, random people get their faces blurred in post-production so they cannot get recognized - and cannot sue. 
 

Basically, most laws allow recording and publishing photos and footage taken in a public setting. 

A no is a no. By posting that it still applies you stalked someone which this forum is highly against and by posting it and the mods allowing it kinda suggest to others to do the same which again this forum is highly against. I would suggest you read the sites guidelines again before posting anymore. 

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I've seen desperate girls on buses many times, and I've often wanted to follow them, but every time I end up not doing so because there and then, doing so would seem really creepy and wrong, regardlessly if the girl noticed.

Following someone a short distance, from a distance away, in, say, a crowded city, though? I honestly find the idea of that less creepy, so long as you don't stare at the person or whip out your camera phone.

  

21 hours ago, thinkpadman said:

However, just out of curiosity - what happens if people completely anonymize a video/photo, i.e. if they alter the content to the point of the person being totally unrecognizable? 

I'd be pretty creeped out if I was desperate or in some other vulnerable/embarrassing situation and a recording of that surfaced online, not to mention at a porn site.

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Nice story and very well written but it’s a no-no on the video. People in filmed news items, although they may be passing by and not directly filmed, will still be partially aware that there’s filming taking place because... you know, there’s a massive camera set up, plus crew. 🤷🏻‍♀️ So can make an informed decision on whether to pass by and be filmed, or not. This girl couldn’t, and it’s an invasion of her privacy regardless of whether she’s blurred out completely or not; an even bigger one to then post such vulnerable footage online. If it were me I’d feel really distressed. 

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2 hours ago, TheGreatNobody said:

You're just gonna ignore the fact that you were recording apparently

I was recording a view through a bus window, in a public setting, and I have not published the recording. Can you elaborate how is that illegal or even creepy?

22 hours ago, Alex62 said:

A no is a no. By posting that it still applies you stalked someone which this forum is highly against and by posting it and the mods allowing it kinda suggest to others to do the same which again this forum is highly against. I would suggest you read the sites guidelines again before posting anymore. 

Sorry, which part do you consider „stalking”? Riding on the same bus? Watching someone sitting across the aisle?

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37 minutes ago, thinkpadman said:

I was recording a view through a bus window, in a public setting, and I have not published the recording. Can you elaborate how is that illegal or even creepy?

Sorry, which part do you consider „stalking”? Riding on the same bus? Watching someone sitting across the aisle?

While I'm neither user in the post you questioned, I'll answer.

For @TheGreatNobody post- It's creepy to record anyone with out their consent. It may be perfectly legal but that doesn't mean it is not creepy, epically when you are doing so for your own sexual pleasure and probably plan to get off on it later. 

For @Alex62 post- it stalking by staring at her for most if not all the bus ride. It's also stalking by moving seats so you could get a better view of her and when she moved behind you, you turned around to see her. Even thought their was a agurment behind you, you turned around to see her. And then when she got off you looked out the window to see her. 

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6 hours ago, Shadowdevil said:

It's creepy to record anyone with out their consent. It may be perfectly legal but that doesn't mean it is not creepy, epically when you are doing so for your own sexual pleasure and probably plan to get off on it later.

There are situations when you record someone without the consent, but that't still legal. For example, if you take a photo of the crowdy street. Possibly some people could be recogized on the photo, but is it creepy to take such a photo?

7 hours ago, Shadowdevil said:

it stalking by staring at her for most if not all the bus ride. It's also stalking by moving seats so you could get a better view of her and when she moved behind you, you turned around to see her. Even thought their was a agurment behind you, you turned around to see her. And then when she got off you looked out the window to see her.

I think it depends on situation.

If you just sit face to face with her, it's natural that you take a look at her sometimes. And what if you change the seat for another reason, and having a better look at someone is a side effect? What if I'm not interested in a person him/herself, but in the dress he/she's wearing?

Humans are "equipped" with eyes and we are seen, or observed, by thousands, regardless if we want it or not. For example, a car driver observes the other people for traffic safety. But what if not only for safety? For example, he might stop to let the pedestrian walk across the street, and that's good. But what if the pedestrian is a sexy woman and the driver observes her legs? Is it stalking or not?

Your definition of stalking makes me think that only tha blind people are save from being accused for stalking.

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7 hours ago, wether said:

There are situations when you record someone without the consent, but that't still legal. For example, if you take a photo of the crowdy street. Possibly some people could be recogized on the photo, but is it creepy to take such a photo?

I think it depends on situation.

If you just sit face to face with her, it's natural that you take a look at her sometimes. And what if you change the seat for another reason, and having a better look at someone is a side effect? What if I'm not interested in a person him/herself, but in the dress he/she's wearing?

Humans are "equipped" with eyes and we are seen, or observed, by thousands, regardless if we want it or not. For example, a car driver observes the other people for traffic safety. But what if not only for safety? For example, he might stop to let the pedestrian walk across the street, and that's good. But what if the pedestrian is a sexy woman and the driver observes her legs? Is it stalking or not?

Your definition of stalking makes me think that only tha blind people are save from being accused for stalking.

It's perfectly fine to take a selfie on a crowded street and if you happened to sit face to face with someone obviously your going to have to see her but a) that wasn't the case in the posted story. And b) looking at someone for a few minutes vs watching the for a long period so different. It's fine to change seats also but since he did it with the purpose to get a better view to watch the lady it is not. If your checking out his's/her's outfit it should not involve staring for a long period of time, turning around to look again, and looking out the window to look again. So it's okay to look at someone but it's creepy to stare and with what was said in the above post made it stalking in my eyes. 

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27 minutes ago, Shadowdevil said:

It's perfectly fine to take a selfie on a crowded street and if you happened to sit face to face with someone obviously your going to have to see her but a) that wasn't the case in the posted story. And b) looking at someone for a few minutes vs watching the for a long period so different. It's fine to change seats also but since he did it with the purpose to get a better view to watch the lady it is not. If your checking out his's/her's outfit it should not involve staring for a long period of time, turning around to look again, and looking out the window to look again. So it's okay to look at someone but it's creepy to stare and with what was said in the above post made it stalking in my eyes. 

Well, if your definition of stalking were true, half of people in cafés, bars, clubs and on the streets would be deemed stalkers. They do look at other people. And no, you can’t stop them. That’s how being in public works. 

Also, changing seats to get a better view (on anything really) and better comfort is a pretty popular thing I’m afraid. Yes, in my life I’ve changed seats dozens of times to have a better view. Sue me. 

I’d already be a millionaire if I could sue people looking at me... through bus windows. 

Most dictionaries define stalking as stealthy following somebody over a period of time.
 

stealthy=undetected

following=going after someone, trailing

over a period of time=regularily, for extended duration, repeatedly

Can you explain how I was stealthily following the person by riding on the same bus with her, once... and then by following her... sorry, looking through the window? 
 

Stalking is a criminal activity. Are you really accusing me (and anyone else who had ever „stared for a long time, turned around, looked through the window”) of being a criminal? 

Looking at someone is not stalking. Changing a seat is not stalking. Turning around to see someone is not stalking. 
 

Get your facts straight before accusing someone of criminal activity. 

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8 hours ago, thinkpadman said:

Well, if your definition of stalking were true, half of people in cafés, bars, clubs and on the streets would be deemed stalkers. They do look at other people. And no, you can’t stop them. That’s how being in public works. 

Also, changing seats to get a better view (on anything really) and better comfort is a pretty popular thing I’m afraid. Yes, in my life I’ve changed seats dozens of times to have a better view. Sue me. 

I’d already be a millionaire if I could sue people looking at me... through bus windows. 

Most dictionaries define stalking as stealthy following somebody over a period of time.
 

stealthy=undetected

following=going after someone, trailing

over a period of time=regularily, for extended duration, repeatedly

Can you explain how I was stealthily following the person by riding on the same bus with her, once... and then by following her... sorry, looking through the window? 
 

Stalking is a criminal activity. Are you really accusing me (and anyone else who had ever „stared for a long time, turned around, looked through the window”) of being a criminal? 

Looking at someone is not stalking. Changing a seat is not stalking. Turning around to see someone is not stalking. 
 

Get your facts straight before accusing someone of criminal activity. 

Chill my dude, I never called you criminal or accused you of following her, in fact you say that's you wanted to but couldn't. Stalking doesn't just mean following someone undetected. Nor is it always a criminal act, it's creepy but not always a criminal act. And you right, all the things you did has a perfectly normal explation and if I was there I probably wouldn't have thought anything about it. But with the context you put with it it defently not the case and makes me think other wise. Epically recording her without consent to get off on it. Also you said you would have followed her if you could, which would be stalking. Context is everything. 

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