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Potty Parity!

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Just found an interesting article on the topic of introducing legislation to make public restrooms built to equalize wait time for men and women's rooms. The logistics of why wait time isn't equal is something I've not thought about in detail, but I thought the different solutions the article explores are pretty cool.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/01/women-men-bathroom-lines-wait/580993/

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All public restrooms should be closed for about a month... if nobody can use them then nobody can feel "unequal" or have anything to complain about. 

IMO this "equality" thing between the sexes/genders has gotten way out of hand. All people are NOT equal, and no amount of legislation can make it so.

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2 hours ago, DeltaFoxtrot said:

All public restrooms should be closed for about a month... if nobody can use them then nobody can feel "unequal" or have anything to complain about. 

IMO this "equality" thing between the sexes/genders has gotten way out of hand. All people are NOT equal, and no amount of legislation can make it so.

Long queues at ladies restrooms can be a problem and just going. "Oh we are just unequal" is an annoying distraction from the issue.

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2 hours ago, DeltaFoxtrot said:

All public restrooms should be closed for about a month... if nobody can use them then nobody can feel "unequal" or have anything to complain about. 

IMO this "equality" thing between the sexes/genders has gotten way out of hand. All people are NOT equal, and no amount of legislation can make it so.

I don't think it's really an equality issue. It's just a sensible design principle, isn't it? If you have a facility that's got a certain level of demand, and another with a different level of demand (whether that's because there's more users, or because each of them takes longer, or whatever), then it makes sense to design each to cope with its respective level of demand.

The big equality issue is surely access for disabled users? As an example, there's a big push here to get all toilets on trains converted so that they're accessible. It's easier said than done because they take up so much space. Just removing them altogether is being considered as a serious solution in some cases. Discuss!

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We might need a discussion about the differences between equity and equality...

2 hours ago, DeltaFoxtrot said:

IMO this "equality" thing between the sexes/genders has gotten way out of hand. All people are NOT equal, and no amount of legislation can make it so.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/09/equality-is-not-enough/

 

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6 minutes ago, Gemgirl said:

Long queues at ladies restrooms can be a problem and just going. "Oh we are just unequal" is an annoying distraction from the issue.

 

1 minute ago, rachelkirwan said:

We might need a discussion about the differences between equity and equality...

https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/09/equality-is-not-enough/

 

There is no issue... the whole thing is a distraction. The whole "gender equality" thing was dreamed up by the bourgeoisie as yet another way to keep the proletariat masses preoccupied and squabbling among ourselves while they continue to rob us blind. That you reach for a site like "everyday feminism" for corroboration only confirms my sentiments.

I'm gonna leave this now... because if we continue the topic is going to get derailed and political real fast.

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It make perfect sense to me that there needs to be more female facilities as queues are always longer presumably because it takes longer to use a cubicle than a urinal with obviously fully accessible facilities 

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6 hours ago, OmoXenomorph said:

Just found an interesting article on the topic of introducing legislation to make public restrooms built to equalize wait time for men and women's rooms. The logistics of why wait time isn't equal is something I've not thought about in detail, but I thought the different solutions the article explores are pretty cool.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/01/women-men-bathroom-lines-wait/580993/

Page won't load. 

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10 hours ago, DeltaFoxtrot said:

 

There is no issue... the whole thing is a distraction. The whole "gender equality" thing was dreamed up by the bourgeoisie as yet another way to keep the proletariat masses preoccupied and squabbling among ourselves while they continue to rob us blind. That you reach for a site like "everyday feminism" for corroboration only confirms my sentiments.

I'm gonna leave this now... because if we continue the topic is going to get derailed and political real fast.

This is called class reductionism and it doesn't describe the world we live in. The bosses are robbing us blind, yes. But the patriarchy is too. Get hip to intersectional socialism or gtfo and go hang out in r/stupidpol.

Or just stop talking politics on the fetish forum.

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11 hours ago, ♡~Nikolai~♡ said:

 Page won't load. 

It's odd, but if you go to the frontpage of theatlantic.com and click on the link there it works.

As for the issue itself, I think it's more about cost than it's about sexism. If it cost the same in terms of money and space to achieve "potty parity", all new buildings would have it already.

I'm not too keen on the idea of unisex bathrooms with urinals. I was at a festival last summer that had open-air urinals, and even while drunk af I found it a bit uncomfortable that everyone could just walk by and take a peek.

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8 hours ago, satyr said:

It's odd, but if you go to the frontpage of theatlantic.com and click on the link there it works.

As for the issue itself, I think it's more about cost than it's about sexism. If it cost the same in terms of money and space to achieve "potty parity", all new buildings would have it already.

I'm not too keen on the idea of unisex bathrooms with urinals. I was at a festival last summer that had open-air urinals, and even while drunk af I found it a bit uncomfortable that everyone could just walk by and take a peek.

That does seem extremely odd.

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9 hours ago, satyr said:

I'm not too keen on the idea of unisex bathrooms with urinals. I was at a festival last summer that had open-air urinals, and even while drunk af I found it a bit uncomfortable that everyone could just walk by and take a peek.

That is a prudish American hangup. There are public urinals on streets all over Europe. It is just a matter of what people are used to. Americans seem much more guarded and secretive when it comes to bodily functions.

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7 hours ago, Imouto Kitten said:

While I'll agree with Delta Foxtrot that people have a bad habit of making mountains out of molehills and screaming for equality over the most trivial disparities(or at least that seems to be the sentiment behind all that vitriol), I'd agree reducing this to another case of "damn those matriarchal misandrics ruining any credibility feminism has" is missing the point. Though, I'll admit to not really understanding the equality vs equity distinction, though I'm assuming its in the same ball park as the meaning behind the slogan "forced uniformity is not equality".

That said, without reading the article in the OP, I'll reiterate a view expressed in other threads that just making public facilities unisex could solve a lot of issues and most of the issues it would supposedly create are all in the heads of those raised with segregated facilities who never questioned the status quo or are issues that exist with segregated facilities as well.

The distinction rests long the lines of outcome or opportunity. 

This is another good distinction:

https://www.ywcalgary.ca/news/equity-v-s-equality-whats-difference/

Or one can imagine wheels chair ramps - we all have am equal right to access a government building, for example, but this doesn't mean that everyone has the same needs. Thus, some people might require more resources (an elevator or ramp) to access the same rights. I think we can agree that this is a just thing? 

I've encountered a lot of unisex washrooms out here on the West Coast, and they seem to make sense, everyone gets a stall, you boys don't need to stand awkwardly and chatting with people beside you are the urinal (or whatever you do, look at each other's junk?) and we call all wash our hands in the same place, regardless of our genitals. 

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On 1/28/2019 at 5:24 PM, Wombat48 said:

It make perfect sense to me that there needs to be more female facilities as queues are always longer presumably because it takes longer to use a cubicle than a urinal with obviously fully accessible facilities 

I believe that current building codes provide for more fixtures for women than for men.  If there is one toilet and one urinal in a men's room, the ladies' room may have three toilets.  It makes sense.

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On 1/29/2019 at 9:26 PM, DeltaFoxtrot said:

That is a prudish American hangup. There are public urinals on streets all over Europe. It is just a matter of what people are used to. Americans seem much more guarded and secretive when it comes to bodily functions.

That's funny, since I was born and raised in Norway, a notoriously liberal country. And I can assure you there are not open-air urinals anywhere on the streets here. It's not often I get accused of being a stuck-up American! Paris implemented their first open-air, fully exposed urinals last year, and it was not particularly popular with the locals. I've never seen any open-air urinals in Amsterdam, Berlin, Rome or Copenhagen either. Not sure where you've been where this is super common and socially acceptable.

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On 1/31/2019 at 5:11 PM, satyr said:

That's funny, since I was born and raised in Norway, a notoriously liberal country. And I can assure you there are not open-air urinals anywhere on the streets here. It's not often I get accused of being a stuck-up American! Paris implemented their first open-air, fully exposed urinals last year, and it was not particularly popular with the locals. I've never seen any open-air urinals in Amsterdam, Berlin, Rome or Copenhagen either. Not sure where you've been where this is super common and socially acceptable.

Fully agree with you. I'm from Germany and have seen plenty of places in Europe - and open, public urinals definitely are not a norm here. Actually I've only seen them during music or street festivals and even then they're not very popular, despite people often being drunk! ?

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Well, yeah, there are public toilets in some places in Europe, but people generally HATE using them. So we're not really ahead in that regard. 😉

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Admittedly, long lines at women's rooms are annoying. For example,  I was at a concert last night. The women's bathroom line was quite long. The men's had no line at all.

 

However, I really dont think the issue has anything to do with sexism.

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It doesn’t have to involve personal malice in order to be sexism. The fact that bathrooms in public places are often adequate for men but not for women is institutionalized sexism. 

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