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Is it ok to write unofficial continuations of unfinished fictional stories abandoned by the original poster as long if they ok with it?


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Just curious, I've noticed some fictional stories on this site are unfinished to this day and I want them to be finished soon, but it look like these stories have been abandoned by the original posters, is it ok to write unofficial continuations of unfinished fictional stories abandoned by the original poster as long if they ok with it?

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36 minutes ago, vizzing said:

It would probably be best to have the original story writer comment their permission with the handle of whoever is going to continue their story. Otherwise how could we be sure that permission was actually granted. I’m not an admin btw. Just a fellow tale spinner. 

So if the author of the story isn't online in a very long time, should we consider their permission was granted or not?

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2 hours ago, brown1410 said:

So if the author of the story isn't online in a very long time, should we consider their permission was granted or not?

I'd say no. What if they show up again? Don't mean to sour your day, but content someone else makes should be their own. I'm with you though that there's some fantastic unfinished stories on this site.

Maybe there's a way around it with fan fiction, and starting a new thread. I'd say never take over someone else's story thread, for sure.

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1 minute ago, vizzing said:

I'd say no. What if they show up again? Don't mean to sour your day, but content someone else makes should be their own. I'm with you though that there's some fantastic unfinished stories on this site.

Maybe there's a way around it with fan fiction, and starting a new thread. I'd say never take over someone else's story thread, for sure.

Is it ok to make a separate thread with my own continuation of the story as long as the author is ok?

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3 minutes ago, brown1410 said:

Is it ok to make a separate thread with my own continuation of the story as long as the author is ok?

It's really up to the original author. Personally, I'd be flattered if someone made a fan fiction of my work. But I'm sure there's plenty of people that would not be happy finding that their work was continued by someone else. There's no way to be sure without getting direct permission from the story writer.

I'm curious which story has you so riveted?

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Hello! Thank you for checking in with us on this first. 

To answer your question, you should absolutely not try and do an official continuation of someone else's story without their permission, especially not in their own thread. This would be seen as incredibly disrespectful to the original author. 

You should get permission from the original author to adopt or continue their work. There is no such thing as implicit permission if they're not online to answer or provide a response either, it should always be assumed you don't have permission until it is explicitly granted. 

You can make your entirely own separate works independent of their stories and credit them as inspiration, but you shouldn't try and "continue" someone else's story without their permission. 

Using a similar base premise, plot, and so on are all fine, but it shouldn't go much further than that. 

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On 5/12/2024 at 3:38 PM, DerivativeWings said:

If you do anything like this, it should definitely be it's own thread. Linking to the original thread would be good form. I think writing a continuation of sorts is somewhat okay since at that point you're essentially writing fanfiction of another author's story. However, even that could be taken to be a little rude.

Yeah, I think there's some context dependence here. Let's make a concrete example:

Imagine someone posts an unofficial ending to jailor eckmans Off-Limits series before the official story is finished. If it's clearly labelled as fan created, and the author does not insult the original creator (e.g. "Jailor is lazy and takes too long to draw panels, so I finished the story for them... It's probably better than anything they could come up with anyway") I see no reason as to why it's more or less offensive than someone writing a Harry Potter fan fiction. It comes under free use policy and I don't need JK Rowling's express permission for this. Of course, if she requests it be taken down then I should do so.

Furthermore, it's good for the writing community and probably quite flattering for the original creator. 

Just need to make sure appropriate credit is given and the unofficial status is clearly communicated. 

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On 6/10/2024 at 6:08 PM, OmorashiPotato said:

Yeah, I think there's some context dependence here. Let's make a concrete example:

Imagine someone posts an unofficial ending to jailor eckmans Off-Limits series before the official story is finished. If it's clearly labelled as fan created, and the author does not insult the original creator (e.g. "Jailor is lazy and takes too long to draw panels, so I finished the story for them... It's probably better than anything they could come up with anyway") I see no reason as to why it's more or less offensive than someone writing a Harry Potter fan fiction. It comes under free use policy and I don't need JK Rowling's express permission for this. Of course, if she requests it be taken down then I should do so.

Furthermore, it's good for the writing community and probably quite flattering for the original creator. 

Just need to make sure appropriate credit is given and the unofficial status is clearly communicated. 

I'm not sure what you're going to accomplish coming into this thread five weeks later to try to countermand the general consensus of the thread, the owner of the server, and to cite a legal doctrine that doesn't exist. "Free Use" is not a legal concept. You don't know what you're talking about.

It's exceedingly rude to use other people's canon and characters without their permission, especially if they're personal and not part of for-profit enterprise. Don't do it. If you're so horny for someone else's work, write it for yourself and don't publish it.

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Whoops, 2 mistakes on my part: 

1) didn't realise the thread was that old, my bad

2) I meant "fair use" not "free use"

 

This is an actual real concept, I didn't just make it up. 

 

P.s. I think the claim that it's "exceedingly rude" is silly. You're basically getting mad at someone else's headcanon of your content. It barely affects the original author if clearly labelled fan content exists around their canon. Look at Undertale fan games: those are all passion projects, but nobody thinks it's disrespectful to write a story about a character from an undertale fan game. That's because it really isn't.

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3 hours ago, OmorashiPotato said:

Whoops, 2 mistakes on my part: 

1) didn't realise the thread was that old, my bad

2) I meant "fair use" not "free use"

 

This is an actual real concept, I didn't just make it up. 

 

P.s. I think the claim that it's "exceedingly rude" is silly. You're basically getting mad at someone else's headcanon of your content. It barely affects the original author if clearly labelled fan content exists around their canon. Look at Undertale fan games: those are all passion projects, but nobody thinks it's disrespectful to write a story about a character from an undertale fan game. That's because it really isn't.

It's exceedingly self-righteous to argue within a concept in which the author's feelings are diminished or inherently taken for granted as positive, and then back it up behind a complete lack of understanding under Fair Use. You're essentially giving a layman's misunderstanding of the law. Fair Use does not explicitly protect derivative, transformative work on its own without consideration of the context, it is not carte blanche to violate IP law. It is an affirmative defense to trademark or copyright infringement, which means you are admitting you're taking something that belongs to someone else by doing it.

More importantly, you're completely eschewing the author's feelings and passion for their work taking their characters and setting and doing something else with it. If someone took my fursona, an emulation of myself, and did things with them that I'd never do, it'd be emotionally devastating and the author abusing my personal work for their own gain may never even realize it.

No, using someone else's work without permission is exceedingly rude. It takes 5 minutes to ask for permission and have basic respect for your peers. There is myriad difference between adapting something made explicitly for commercial enterprise and profit, and something deeply personal and expressive to the author as well.

I'd do some soul searching and bone up a little on IP law. Saying an author should be glad someone else is taking their ideas and doing whatever they please with it is not a good look. Headcanon is fine, you can think whatever you want, get off to whatever fantasy you want, write an entire library of fan works if you want. Publishing, for profit or otherwise, especially for sexually explicit purposes, works involving other people's personal projects or ideas without permission is a fine line to walk; and explicitly doing it without asking at all is a garbage thing to do.

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