DesperateJill

@Kiwi_Rebecca_C "I don't think I can do 100 push ups" I think relatively few people can, doing 100 push-ups as like something an angry drill sergeant forces Marines to do if they are disobedient. I think that the average person probably can't even do even a small percentage of that. I mean if you consider this proper way to do push-ups I'm not even sure if I can do one the correct way, let alone with a full bladder!

@Jimmy Olsen "Whether it's stories or videos, I dislike gratuitous sexual content. "Oh no, the bathroom was locked so I had an accident! I guess now I'll strip naked and start rubbing my parts!" What, you mean if the bathroom is locked and you have an accident you don't immediately strip naked and began furiously masturbating? I just don't understand some people…

@Sudoers "My middle school days are somehow a little bit like this. If girls ask for bathroom during a class they usually get the permissions to go. But the teacher sometimes think the male teenager should be strong enough to hold to the end of the class and deny their requests (sometimes punish the one who asked because he disturbed the class). If a boy asked, even other students may laugh at him about his weak bladder." My school was kind of the opposite where I remember my chauvinistic male teacher wouldn't allow the girls to use the bathroom because he thought that they just went in there to chitchat. To be fair though you might have a point about men feeling that their masculinity is challenged if they seem to indicate they have a weak bladder. Generally speaking with somebody asking to go in class it is usually a girl, simply because women often have more problems getting to a bathroom easily and end up desperate and in such situations more often. As I have said in numerous other threads it's usually easy for the guys to go to the bathroom between class but not so much for the girls, but I think the teachers are largely unsympathetic.

@Jimmy Olsen "That's easier said than done! Bladder shyness isn't a conscious decision. Your mind can try and try to make urination happen but your body doesn't have to comply. It's like being in one of those clear tunnels between buildings when you have a fear of heights. Your mind knows you're safe but you still can't make yourself step out onto the glass." I think what a lot of people don't realize is that mental issues are just as real as physical ones. Like my dad always tells me why I can't just "get over" my mental problems as though it were so easy. I always say that that's like telling a crippled person to just walk as though it were so easy. If you have some psychological reason why you can't pee it's just the same as if you had a blocked peehole. Like a lot of people always said why can't I just learn to go to the bathroom outside, and when it's something that you simply don't know how to do or you're not comfortable in doing, again like you said it's easier said than done. Not everybody can get over their inhibitions or mental roadblocks to doing something. Just because pee shyness is psychological rather than a physical problem doesn't mean it can have a physical manifestation.

@DesperateQueue I think that honestly I would choose option B. I mean it's annoying that there are people in the bathroom smoking or drinking or getting into trouble but as long as I can just ignore them and go do my business I'm fine with that. I was never accused of doing drugs or smoking even though I always found that people who did that in the bathroom to be extremely rude. If somebody was smoking or doing something like that in the bathroom I would just ignore them, use the bathroom and get out of there as fast as possible.

@DesperateQueue "Yeah, I could see a case where the boys might complain if the teachers are letting the girls use the bathroom more often than the boys. But again, I don’t think the boys understand that they can usually use the bathroom to pee between classes and still get to class on time because they don’t have to wait in line. However, the girls almost always have to wait in line, and by the time they wait in line and pee, they’re usually late for class. So that means that unless the girls are willing to “trade a tardy and possible detention for an opportunity to pee”, they’re going to be sitting in class very uncomfortable for large portions of the day, because there is likely to be a long girls bathroom line between almost every class. I didn’t even get started on the closing of the girls bathrooms in your school either." Yes even before they closed most of the bathrooms the situation was bad and I think that the boys were totally oblivious to it until they closed their bathrooms in the second year, but even then they didn't seem to have a problem getting to the bathroom. I guess it's just not part of their experience in general. My friends always thought that I was kind of crazy because I would push on the door to the bathroom to find it locked because they knew I would try to go between every class but again it's not part of their experience, they don't realize you have to take every opportunity you can get when you are a girl! "Maybe things have changed the last 20 or 25 years, but in my days, I don’t recall there being separate bathroom facilities for the teachers. I think that with the possible exception of the nurse’s bathroom, they had to use the same bathrooms as the students, which meant that for them, they didn’t have many opportunities to use the bathroom either (though some of them did play the role of bathroom monitor at lunch or between classes and might have a chance to pee if there isn’t a significant line at that point in time). Now, some of them did have a planning period at some point during the day (not related to pregnancy) that was designed for planning their lecture materials, and they might have a chance to use the bathroom during that class period. However, that doesn’t always work either because sometimes they have to act as a “substitute teacher” for some other class. Maybe there were some separate faculty restrooms that I didn’t know about, but that was so long ago I wouldn’t remember if they did." To be fair it's more of an assumption on my part, I just don't recall ever seeing any teachers in the bathroom. But from what I have heard of talking to teachers they say that they often don't get a bathroom break either so maybe their situation really is as bad as the students. If they did have trouble getting to the bathroom though they didn't seem to mention it and seemed pretty oblivious or indifferent to the problems of the students faced, so I just sort of naturally assumed that they probably had a faculty bathroom somewhere like in the teachers lounge.

@brown4182004 "Hayley Williams said she had to pee in a making of a music video:" It would be cool if someone did a music video where all the women were desperate and pee dancing! That could probably be a story at least.

@DesperateQueue "I think that a real frustrating scenario might be the following. If a boy (Jack) and his girlfriend (Jill) are going from one class to the next within a 5 minute passing period and both have to pee, Jack might get into the boys bathroom, pee, maybe wash his hands and be out within a minute or so. Meanwhile, Jill is stuck in a slow-moving long girls bathroom line and she has to pee pretty badly, and the line has barely moved between the time Jack entered and left the boys bathroom. Jill’s in a bad situation in that she’s about to pee her pants and has to listen to the girls peeing, flushing, and washing their hands while she’s stuck in line wondering if she’ll have enough time to wait in line, pee, and get to class on time. Listening to the sound of water doesn’t help the cause either. But if that wasn’t bad enough, the real “punch in the gut” might be if Jack says something like “I was able to pee and get out within a minute, and you’re still stuck in line. You look like you’re about to pee your pants, and I believe if you’re late, you get detention. Ha ha, sucks to be you.” She might not be his girlfriend for long after a comment like that." People like Jack are why Jill is a lesbian ;).

@AnotherGuy "Personally I have no interest in having kids, and since most people seem to want them, that probably just adds on another thing that makes it harder for me to find a relationship. I still like to hope that I could find somebody someday, but I never seem to meet the right person at the right time, and the longer that passes, the more unlikely it seems that it will actually happen. I often wonder how relationships seem to happen so easily for many other people." I think that with women there is also a pressure to have children as well like if you say you don't want children people look at you like there's something wrong with you, like as a woman your purpose in life is to be barefoot and pregnant and take care of children. I really do think that that is the attitude of a lot of people like I said in my last response, I think that a lot of people really do look at women as little more than babymaking factories in general, like their purpose is to have as many children as possible and to take care of them and if you don't want to do that you're somehow a bad person. But like you I've largely given up on the idea of having any kind of major relationship. The way I see it I'm a day away from being 39 and I've never been in a relationship and at that point you basically have to say it's probably not likely to happen if it hasn't happened by now. Especially as you are getting older and less desirable I think that the chances of you finding someone become increasingly slim as time goes on. But the fact is I really just wanted somebody who shares my fetishes that I could perhaps have maybe a friends with benefits situation for, the idea of being married or having children never really appealed to me and I don't think that I'm healthy physically and mentally to have children seeing as I chronically ill all the time and if I were to be pregnant or something like that if I wanted children, which again I don't, I think that it would be very bad for my health as well as the health of the child seeing as a person who is frequently severely ill and not eating for weeks at a time that would probably result in some developmental problem with the child I would think. Plus children destroy your bladder lol. @trekkie "I always assumed that when I grew up I was going to be married and have kids just because that's what you do. But, when I think about it, that pretty much was the only reason. Heh." It's funny cause I talked to my friend Frank about that and he said that sometimes he feels like he should just get married and find a good woman and have 2.5 children and I am thinking but you're gay and you hate children, and he's like well yeah that's true but you know it's just what you do! It's like even though that has no appeal to him whatsoever he feels like there is some obligation that by a certain age are supposed to be married and have a certain number of children even if that has no appeal to you whatsoever and even if you have no means of supporting them, it's just like your expected to do that otherwise you're somehow abnormal. But I knew I was abnormal from a young age, maybe I didn't realize I was a lesbian until later, but the idea of being married and having children on a traditional family just never had any appeal to me. Even at a very young age I was pretty adamant that I didn't want to have children and didn't really think that marriage worked in general. "I don't really think we have an overpopulation crisis just yet - when I think of how much food is wasted, it's really sad to me; we have more than enough resources to go around, it's just that there's not much profit to be made in getting it to those who need it. As for the idea of having kids, I can totally identify with not being able to take care of myself well enough that I should be taking care of a child. The search for services is very difficult and slow if you're doing it alone and didn't get a start in childhood, it seems." True, a lot of people have pointed out how in the 1960s it was thought that by now we would be in a Soylent Green situation (Soylent Green actually does take place in 2022 in a world of 7 billion people, we have a billion more than predicted) where everybody was starving and that we would have to resort to cannibalism but science actually has risen to the occasion and found better means of food production so it's mostly a food distribution problem and the cruelty of the capitalist system that allows people to go hungry even though there would be enough food for everybody. I think that France had the right idea where now by law if a supermarket can't sell their goods by a certain date they have to donate the food to the hungry which should be like a law everywhere I think. I really think that everyone should have a national food subsidy where they are entitled to food as a human right rather than a reward. But the fact remains that even if we can prevent the population from mass starvation scientists have pointed out numerous times that we live in a world of 8 billion people in a world that can only comfortably support about 2 billion people. If everybody was going to live at a level of consumption typical of Americans we would need 4 more planets in order to sustain that. The fact is yes we have managed to sustain 8 billion people but the majority of those people live under a dollar a day. So when we talk about sustainability maybe not everybody has starved to death but we certainly can't really maintain 8 billion people at a standard of living that people in Western nations generally enjoy. So when people say that we are doing okay with 8 billion people they have to overlook the fact that 6 billion of those people live in profound degrees of poverty in general. But yeah it's a good thing that I don't want children because I definitely can't support them. As a 39-year-old who lives in my father's attic I certainly don't have what it takes to take care of children as I a burden enough already. When you're an adult you can take care of themselves adding children to the situation is just irresponsible and insane really. So it's really a good thing that I don't want children because I could in no ways adequately support them. If you can't take care of yourself you shouldn't be bringing children into the mix. "I also worry that I'd let my kids get away with murder because while the home I grew up in was the perfect example in every way of what not to do, I don't know what to actually do. Not that anyone ever had a manual..." Yeah that's pretty much the same situation I am in. It's like I don't even know how to pick up a child or a baby in the proper way I would have like not the slightest clue with what to do with a child. Even I don't think I could even be a babysitter successfully. But I'm also sort of like a control freak and children or something that is not controllable so I think that's another reason why children never appealed to me. I can't deal with the chaos of something that I can't totally control so I feel like as a parent I would be more like a dictator and that of my children actually did grow up successfully they would probably say that they grow up and survived in spite of having had me as a parent. But I feel that my father was never really encouraging to me or supportive of me in an emotional sense, so I honestly wouldn't have the slightest clue how to raise emotionally healthy children. But I guess attitudes like that probably stem from my own life. My mom said that she had children because she was generally happy in the world and she was expecting to have happy children, I have always been a miserable person and a poorly functioning individual so I never really wanted to bring children into a world that I can even handle or deal with orb can barely tolerate, so why would I want to be bringing children into a world that I find to be a miserable place. Misery doesn't always loves company, and if I had children I have no doubt that they would probably grow up extremely dysfunctional. I have zero instinct for being a parent or even basic social skills for dealing with people in general.

@DesperateQueue "Sad part is that you’re probably right. Therefore, short of any major changes in the bathroom situation (to add more toilets to the women’s bathrooms), I would say that one way to make the situation more “equitable” to the girls in a school setting is to be a little more “lenient” about letting the girls use the bathroom during class than the boys (so long as they don’t break any rules in the process), because boys can hold it, but girls just can’t hold it as easily. At the very least, that’s what many people tend to believe, but I can see that you don’t necessarily buy into that “myth”. I think your comment earlier about the male teacher denying a girl permission to use the bathroom and her saying “I wish you were a woman for a month” might be one of many examples of the problem. If a person (especially a male teacher) hasn’t “experienced” a problem like that, he is not as likely to be as “sympathetic” to female students who may be on their “period”. Makes me wonder if that teacher in question had kids (especially if he had any girl children), because if he did, he would know the problems with pregnancy for his wife, or potential “girl problems” for his daughters." I think the teachers would be more lenient with the girls compared to the boys because in the boys would probably complain about that. I do think that male teachers in particular tend to think that girls go to the bathroom to chat rather than to you know use the freaking bathroom. I don't know if my English teacher had a wife or daughter but I don't think that he did because he was pretty young and he frequently said that man was not meant to be monogamous, which would suggest that he was probably single and you could probably tell why with the attitude he had towards women. But I also think another reason the teachers wouldn't be sympathetic as I'm pretty sure the teachers have their own separate restroom so they simply didn't realize that the students were unable to go to the bathroom between classes and if they did realize I don't think they particularly cared. Again students were supposed to go to the bathroom on their own time and even if that was unrealistic to teachers probably didn't give a damn as I think that most teachers in general don't really concern themselves with the problems of their students. I mean maybe things have changed in the last 20 years since I've graduated from high school and maybe teachers today are more enlightened but I would suspect not. "I personally would recommend trying to avoid using public restrooms when possible because you don’t know what kind of germs are in there (and if the last couple years have taught us anything with COVID and other stuff, people are not necessarily “smart” when it comes to public restroom usage, such as some don’t wash their hands after using the bathroom). But sometimes you just don’t have a choice, especially if you are in a situation that requires you to be at work or school several hours in a day." I've never really been very germophobic unlike the rest of the women in my family. If I need to use a bathroom I'm not picky and will use what is available. I mean my job where I was holding it for several hours the toilet they had back at our base wasn't especially nice but I wasn't going to hesitate to use it right away the first chance I got!

@DesperateQueue "Not to be forgotten in this “no win” scenario (where you can’t be late nor use the bathroom during class) is that depending on the layout of a school, you may need almost the entire passing time to get from one end of the building to the other if your classes are that far apart, meaning that there probably isn’t time to visit your locker (unless it’s on the way), and even though you’ll “probably” pass by a bathroom as some point on the way to class, you probably don’t have enough time to “do your business” even if there is NOT a line. And if there is a line for the bathroom (especially common for the girls) then you have almost “no chance” to wait in line, pee, and get to class on time." I personally don't know how anyone can be expected to use the bathroom go to their locker and still get to class on time or even do just one of those things. Personally I pretty much did everything at lunch, went to the bathroom and check my locker and that was pretty much all day. I pretty much carried around all of my books for my morning classes and I didn't go to my locker until lunch time more or less. "I think about some of the schools “strict” bathroom policies where you can’t be late to class (even by a second) and you also can’t use the bathroom during class, and I think those are the schools and teachers that “set up” their students for failure (in the sense that they probably can’t use the bathroom at all), because if they’re not allowed to use the bathroom during class, that means they have to go between classes, and if that’s the only time students can go, there is likely to be a long line (at least for the girls). This means that the only other realistic option is to go during lunch (when you can afford to wait in line), but unless you bring your own lunch, it is difficult to imagine a scenario where you have enough time to wait in the lunch line, eat, then wait in a bathroom line, pee, and get all that done within a 25 or 30 minute time frame. Even if you decide to reverse the order and use the bathroom first, by the time you get done with that, you may not have enough time to wait in the lunch line and eat, which means you’d better bring your own lunch if you want to have time to eat and use the bathroom during your lunch period." I don't think the teacher specifically set the students up to fail I think that they are just completely oblivious to the fact that students can use the bathroom and that a limited amount of time. Seeing as teachers use a different bathroom than the students they probably have no idea what the students have to go through just to relieve themselves particularly after they closed all of the toilets. Lunch was longer though at my school every class period was I think about 42 minutes or 44 minutes with about four minutes between classes and you could have lunch anywhere between fourth and seventh period, which varied every year based on your schedule. @huberp76 "At my school were a lot of girls who did not use the toilet at all. They did not go all day long. They did hold it from morning until they were at home lat afternoon." I imagine that that's probably what a lot of girls did at my school and in just a lot of schools in general as there are some people who just won't use a public restroom no matter how badly they have to go but I still don't understand how a majority of people to go for a seven-hour school day without a bathroom break. One of my other friends that I had in the library said that she never used the bathroom during the entire day either, and incidentally I always thought that was rather interesting because now she is a nurse so she must have good bladder capacity in general. @Spectator9 "In some high schools the toilets are often places where smoking, drug use and bullying are common, so students of both genders avoid them whenever possible. I haven't seen any reliable statistics, but I'm sure that a significant percentage of high school students hold their pee until they get home." In the case of my school that was precisely why they closed them in the first place. This was in the early 2000s when they had that whole no tolerance policy towards anything relating to weapons, drugs alcohol smoking etc. and I guess that they probably still have such policies now seeing as those issues have grown worse and I have heard since leaving the school that they have a pretty big drug problem but my old high school. So I think that a lot of people avoided the bathroom for those reasons even before they closed all of them but the thing is that after they closed all of the bathrooms everybody had to suffer for it including people who didn't want to hold it all day. That's like one of my personal pet peeves, innocent people being punished for something somebody else did. I think that's a large reason why I am against the death penalty actually as well, I just hate the idea of the wrong person being punished for something that they didn't do.

@DesperateQueue "2). What would you do if you were confronted with a long line? Top vote so far is “Try to hold another hour and miraculously make it through next class without peeing your pants”. This one surprised me because if you were already desperate and about ready to pee your pants while waiting in line, how do you make it another hour without peeing yourself." I think most people would be surprised how long they can hold on if they really have to. You may think you're about to have an accident but then maybe it's possible to keep holding and holding, albeit with great discomfort usually. "Ultimately, the most frustrating thing about a situation like this for the girls is that you know you have to pee pretty badly, and yet you’ll have to wait in line for a while, and depending on the situation you may have to go to class or somewhere else without peeing, and yet still be uncomfortable for who knows how long." That is why it's hard to walk away from even a long line when you don't know when your next opportunity will be when there could be another long line, and yet sometimes you have no other option, and I think that's something that guys pretty much never experience.

@DesperateQueue "You make some good points about urinals being less expensive and also taking up less space. Knowing that in general girls need to pee more often than boys, it would seem to me that the building design architects (probably men) should allow about twice as much “floor space” for the girls bathrooms as for the boys bathrooms (unless you’re in a building or business that expects to have a lot more men than women in it). Short of going to unisex bathrooms, I think the most “realistic” solution is to have twice as much floor space for women as for men. If you decide that you need for example 7 urinals and 3 toilets for the men, there should be a MINIMUM of 10 toilets for the women (and you could make the case for 12 or 15 toilets since girls take longer to pee on average than boys, and also girls in theory “need” to pee twice as often as boys, but don’t get a chance to because the lines are so long)." That would be ideal although I don't see it happening anytime soon as most did not want to pay to give twice as much space for the women to expand the bathrooms. Most people who put the absolute bare minimum of bathrooms which means that men and women tend to have the same amount of space in the bathroom but because of urinals you can fit a lot more spaces in the men's room so man end up having an extraordinarily large amount of places to go where's the women have a far from adequate amount and there doesn't seem to be much motivation for anybody to change things. "From the standpoint of boys toilets, I agree that you don’t necessarily need a “bunch” of toilets, but I do think you need to have more than just 1 or 2, but that also depends on the environment you are in. I do think that in a 4 or 5 minute passing period, it’s hard to have “enough time” to poop (do #2) regardless of if you’re a boy or girl, even if you don’t have to wait in line (unless it all comes out “quickly”). From the standpoint of peeing, it’s obvious boys are at a tremendous advantage because of urinals and not having to take as long to pee, and therefore not having to wait in a long line. For the girls, who knows what will happen because you could be in a long line to pee, and some of those girls in line may be doing #2 in addition to peeing, and in a 4 or 5 minute passing period, even if the line is only a couple girls long, it’s tough to imagine a scenario where you have enough time to wait in line, pee, and get to class on time." I think that the majority of people will try to avoid going number two in public short of an emergency in most cases, and in most cases that's doable. I do think that women end up pooping more simply because of the fact that once you are already sitting down to pee everything comes out at once, so if you have to do anything more you're going to be doing it one way or another whether you want to or not! And again when you only have one or two stalls that can really compound the problem for women who just want to pee.

@Carfichi "I don't know, a show like that might be ideal for one of the lesser known streaming services such as Tubi or Crackle, or maybe another streaming service more obscure than those two." You know the way streaming is proliferating over time I am sure that there will be something for every taste so maybe someday there will be a streaming service for people into pee, no pun intended!

@LifeIsStrange "I don't get the weird obsession with wanting women to have kids myself, the absolute last thing I want is a kid(as due to my autism i'm still learning how to take care of myself so i'm in no way capable of taking care of a kid). i'm perfectly happy being by myself so as such I don't view marriage as some divine and sacred ritual that women should want to do(especially not with how many celebrity marriages have ended in a short amount of time) and i'm not surprised there are less people getting married these days, because a lot of people simply can't afford weddings and things like that. I always find it refreshing to see a married couple in fictional media where neither one wants kids." I think that there are a lot of men out there who do view women mainly for sex and breeding and little more, they are the incels of the world baffled as to why women wouldn't want that showing how clueless they are. It may be because I'm a lesbian but I have never really for obvious reasons really liked that idea. Even as a kid when they asked children at age 10 most of them just naturally assume that they would get married but I was always like yeah no way totally not for me at all. And like you I can't really take care of myself in the normal sense, so I wouldn't be able to care for children or support them, but even if I could I wouldn't want to as I find children insufferably annoying. I don't think there's anything sacred or divine about marriage either, I think that is something that people made up to enforce social norms and until relatively recently in history marriage was never about love but about a property transference, the property being women of course. All those people rallying about how gay marriage is going to destroy traditional marriage are probably just insecure about their own marriages because I think that most people know on some level that marriage never really was a great idea in the first place. They can work for some people but the fact that most of them end in divorce or infidelity should be a good suggestion that it doesn't really work in the long run for most people, I've always felt it unnatural. And yes I do like the idea of a world where children are a minimal presence and I am even writing a story or rather an entire collection of stories set in a world of massive infertility. Most people would view that situation as a nightmare but I kind of like the idea of it honestly. If everyone's infertile of course that's a catastrophe because then the human race will die a slow whimpering death, but I think if 80% of the world suddenly became infertile it would probably end up saving the human race in the long run.