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I always find that it feels extremely fake. Considering the quantity of content that went out, they never really got a level of authenticity. Over dramatic, poor acting and just not the correct amount of pee for what they did. 

Most feel like there is no passion in it at all

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I had to end my subscriptions to both sites. I had a nearly constant membership since the beginning and have had nothing but respect for some fantastic photography and such beautiful models. Some of the work from four or five years ago is very well done. Recently, not so much.

One thing that remains for both sites is a fantastic library that I plan to review from time to time.

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Is WHP dying?

Quite possibly...

I don't have any inside knowledge about WHP, but the online adult entertainment industry as a whole is definitely changing rapidly.  The old business models no longer work, and I don't think anyone has yet discovered a clear alternative.

Before the whole Web 2.0 thing, online adult content was much rarer. Demand far exceeded supply, and the process of digitizing photographs and publishing to a website was not at all trivial.  As such, users were so thirsty for any kind of adult content that producers just had to have the capability to publish something and they could have a wildly successful business. 

Pee/wetting content was even more rare; if you were lucky enough to come across even a single photograph of such a thing it was something to be saved and treasured.  Wetset was able to establish an empire early on with a black and white photocopied pamphlet and was among the first to offer online access to photosets.  WHP was one of the first to put videos online when digitizing a video and uploading it to a web server took significant resources.  If you wanted to watch a wetting video, your only options were to mail-order a VHS tape from Patches or join WHP and download one of their scenes.

The monopoly that WHP enjoyed allowed them to pay top dollar for models- There was a time that models could make more wetting themselves than they could doing mainstream porn.  Along with this was the ability to afford locations, equipment, production crews, and spend time developing unique, creative scenes.

Technology continued to march forward, though, and it became even easier and cheaper for anyone to produce, publish, and monetize their own content.  This creates a huge amount of competition.  I started making videos in late 2007, just as Clips4sale was coming online.  At the same time, you had the great recession, which was driving more and more people to seek alternative incomes.  Almost overnight established paysites went from having virtually no competition to countless numbers of indie producers offering content that was more extreme, less legal, more daring, and more real.  Then, of course, there is the matter of piracy and freely shared videos which don't help the demand for paid content at all.

I imagine in some ways, WHP, as a membership site, is a lot like HD Wetting- Models and production crews are paid day rates for their participation.  Filming locations also typically charge by the day.  This means if you are doing a shoot, the cost of that day of filming isn't based on the scenes themselves, but the number of models, the crew, and the location.  The more scenes you can film in a day, the more you make, but the margins for profit are very little.  Typically, with an HD Wetting shoot, almost the entire shoot is just to cover the cost of production.  We might do a couple of dozen scenes in a very long day of filming, but only one or two of those scenes extend beyond what is necessary just to break even, those couple scenes are where the profit is.

You can also try to reduce the costs of content production, but again you are limited.  You could hire less crew, but that slows down production and limits the scenes you can get done.  It also adversely affects the quality of those scenes.  You can try to pay the models less, but then you're going to have trouble attracting models, especially models who can reliably show up and fulfill their obligations for an entire shoot.  Also, models are typically demanding more money.  They now have the ability to open their own shop on clips4sale or similar sites and sell videos directly, this is way more convenient than dealing with producers and schedules and everything else.  If they are going to go do a big shoot, they want to be paid more for that than what models were getting paid only a few years ago.  This leaves location costs, but if you spend less on a location you are more limited with what that location offers which reduces the number of scenes you can do.

These factors that are pushing producers to make more scenes with fewer resources haven't reached an apex, they continue to grow, squeezing content producers and webmasters evermore.  Trying to make this business model continue to work, is not sustainable.  Going down this road a producer will eventually reach a point where there is no way to produce the number of scenes they need to be profitable.  The end is in sight for this way of doing things.  It is only a matter of how long a producer can keep going before they get there.

As far as I'm aware, no one has yet discovered an alternative solution that is viable.  However, if professional adult content producers are going to continue to exist, we are going to have to find an entirely new way of doing things.   Otherwise, we will eventually only be left with clip stores and cam girls.  Well produced scenarios will cease to be made.

 

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@TVGuy, totally agree that the economics of porn have changed a lot. Honestly I think these kind of paid for sites are a thing of the past. There are enough pretty ladies (and plenty of men, for those into that) willing to piss themselves for free (or paid videos getting circulated for free) that most of us are satisfied. Too bad for anyone who thought piss porn director was a great career choice, but Napster and Limewire showed what was going to happen decades ago.

Is crowdfunding a possibility? Some musicians (Ne Obliviscaris, for instance) have resorted to it in a time of declining record sales, which is a situation which draws some parallels.

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6 hours ago, Male said:

 Honestly I think these kind of paid for sites are a thing of the past. There are enough pretty ladies (and plenty of men, for those into that) willing to piss themselves for free (or paid videos getting circulated for free) that most of us are satisfied.

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I do not disagree with you at all.  However, I do fear such a future.  While it is true there are people making their own videos and releasing them for free, or on clip sites, they are often much more limited in the scope of their productions compared to videos made under the studio model.  Maybe this doesn't really matter to viewers, and  no one will miss it, but under the studio model of content production you can bring multiple models together for single scenes, utilize unique locations, and combine resources in a way that allows for scenes that just wouldn't be possible with your single person amateur creators.

As far as crowdfunding goes, the answer is no, it is not possible.  Not for adult content.  It has been tried by much larger studios with more mainstream appeal, and even then they didn't get it close to working.  For one thing, the numbers just don't work out- Porn sites, especially niche content ones like pee sites, deal in such small audience numbers that you just don't have the critical mass of people needed to fund things.  The other issue is that porn is an instant gratification sort of thing, not something that many people want to invest in.  People are horny, so they want to see porn now.  If they can see what really works to get them off for free, they are going to do that.  If a paid site offers a scene that really works for them, then they might consider spending a little bit and watching it.  Few people, however, are going to be willing to invest in a crowdfunding solution for their porn.

These issues are something that I have been thinking about a lot lately.  And I do think there may be a solution.  Eventually, as I work out the details, I hope to implement this solution for my sites.   I don't want to go into much detail here, as I don't want someone to steal my idea before I can get it working, but it is essentially a unique twist on the freemium model.

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6 hours ago, Male said:

Honestly I think these kind of paid for sites are a thing of the past. There are enough pretty ladies (and plenty of men, for those into that) willing to piss themselves for free (or paid videos getting circulated for free) that most of us are satisfied. Too bad for anyone who thought piss porn director was a great career choice, but Napster and Limewire showed what was going to happen decades ago.

I would disagree with that. If all you want is someone peeing their pants, then yes, for such mainstream part of omorashi there is no need to pay a dime, Pornhub alone will supply you for years ahead at no cost. But if you're into a bit more rare niche of omorashi, free access to videos may be quite limited to a small amount or low quality ones (and by no means I am talking about resolution or bitrate when I am speaking of quality). For example, I am mostly into extreme desperation, very public desperation, bladder bulges and measuring pee after holding. There're some videos that you can find like that, but really not very much, and most of the free videos related to these sides of omorashi kind of suck tbh. Lovewetting caters to extreme desperation and public desperation, their subscription is kind of costly ($30/month), but you don't have to keep it going. Just subscribe once a year and download everything you wanted for the past 12 months, then cancel after a month. Bound2Burst caters to bladder bulges and measuring, sometimes to extreme desperation too, and most of their videos are reasonably priced, $10-20 for a great video is not that bad.

I would say that sites that keep mass producing cliche videos and expecting people to pay for it are a thing of the past. It's not 1999 when finding any omorashi photos or videos made your heart race. Now only quality paid content survive, low-key cliche videos available to everyone for free.

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After seeing the first season of Westworld I realise that what I do really want to have is the experience that is beyond my expectations. I want to see my deepest imaginations be fulfilled.

This was exactly how it was for me 15 years back. 

My deepest wish was to just see someone pee their panties and that was what WHP could provide.

Later on when I had seen it I wanted to see jeans and scenarios. 

After that online interactions was what I was hoping for and I found forums with novels and later on a few persons of the opposite sex which I had chats with on msn and later on Skype. 

The latter combined with real accident videos and story’s is what still catch my interests even if it is a declining one. But I have no longer any interests in what I first wished the most i.e panty wetting. 

Hence I’m absolutely not interested in paying for it anymore.

I know a Westworld scenario is way beyond what is possible today but nevertheless that is what I might be willing to pay for. 

Online interactions, real life experiences and a feeling of too good to be true is what would catch my attention as well as my wallet. 

Just like it 15 years ago was a simple video of fabric that turned dark. Something that I at that time felt was out of reach but suddenly something I could have. 

 

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On 7/20/2019 at 3:44 PM, TVGuy said:

I do not disagree with you at all.  However, I do fear such a future.  While it is true there are people making their own videos and releasing them for free, or on clip sites, they are often much more limited in the scope of their productions compared to videos made under the studio model.  Maybe this doesn't really matter to viewers, and  no one will miss it, but under the studio model of content production you can bring multiple models together for single scenes, utilize unique locations, and combine resources in a way that allows for scenes that just wouldn't be possible with your single person amateur creators.

As far as crowdfunding goes, the answer is no, it is not possible.  Not for adult content.  It has been tried by much larger studios with more mainstream appeal, and even then they didn't get it close to working.  For one thing, the numbers just don't work out- Porn sites, especially niche content ones like pee sites, deal in such small audience numbers that you just don't have the critical mass of people needed to fund things.  The other issue is that porn is an instant gratification sort of thing, not something that many people want to invest in.  People are horny, so they want to see porn now.  If they can see what really works to get them off for free, they are going to do that.  If a paid site offers a scene that really works for them, then they might consider spending a little bit and watching it.  Few people, however, are going to be willing to invest in a crowdfunding solution for their porn.

These issues are something that I have been thinking about a lot lately.  And I do think there may be a solution.  Eventually, as I work out the details, I hope to implement this solution for my sites.   I don't want to go into much detail here, as I don't want someone to steal my idea before I can get it working, but it is essentially a unique twist on the freemium model. 

 

Holding contests are definitely good, but you said yourself that you don't make them hold to bursting due to time constraints anyway. There are advantages to having multiple models in the same place (that being the main one), but that has certain requirements in itself.

I reckon there is a pretty decent demand for holding contests to the point of genuine accidents. It's a form of content that's less common than regular staged videos.

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