The United Nations are trying to ban (mainly Loli) hentai

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Reducing, or better yet, eliminating child molestation and sexual assault in general is certainly a worthwhile and noble goal, and perhaps even one in which some collateral damage is acceptable.

That said, even if the UN had the authority to meaningfully enforce such a ban, I'm not comprehending much, if any, potential for it actually helping to address the problem of child sexual abuse, but plenty of potential for scapegoating innocents, tipping borderline cases in the wrong direction, and making it harder to catch existing molesters.

Actually, I'm pretty sure I've been reading this lolicon = pedophilia = child molestation rhetoric my whole adult life and perhaps even as far back as when I was the same age as some of the underaged fictional girls I'd drool over naked drawings of behind my parent's backs every chance I got, and yet I've never heard of even a single study that suggests even a correlation between looking at erotic loli art and child molestation,much less suggesting causation. Granted, there's not much information available on the incidence of pedophilia in the general population or for 2-D complexes in general and lolicon could be argued to be in the intersection of these two(best I can tell, child molestors are abetter studied group, and as I understand it, most child molestors aren't pedophiles, the portion of non-pedophile molestors increases for cases involving incest, and 95% of molested children where targetted by someone they knew rather than a stranger).

Also, even psychologists think the conflation of pedophilia and child molestation in the mainstream consciousness is dangerous and the DSM makes a distinction between pedophilia(sexual attraction to prepubescent children) and pedophilic disorder(desiring to act upon that attraction to the point it interferes with day-to-day life).

It's a bit old, and I'm not sure how trustworthy the source is, but here's an interview I found featuring a psychology professor discussing the subject:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/08/what-can-be-done-about-pedophilia/279024/

Which personally sound smuch more reasonable than the people who want to lock up, lynch, and/or tar and feather all the lolicons and pedophiles who have never hurt anyone. No idea what this guy would think of the proposed ban, but I suspect he'd at least caution against lumping those who look at naked drawings of fictional characters with childish features in with actual child molesters.

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^said it far better than I ever could, I've tried to organize my thoughts on the matter to post something similar but you just about summed it up perfectly

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I didn't go off of some silly study, but rather the morals I have as a human being and how I feel about this whole schpeel. You can't tell me that lolicon doesn't look like children. If the lore was an underage age, THEN it would be illegal cuz, ya know, child pornography. But the only difference is the suggested lore age. These lolis clearly look like small children and the people who actually like the content also must like the fact that they look like small children.

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31 minutes ago, ♡~Nikolai~♡ said:

I didn't go off of some silly study, but rather the morals I have as a human being and how I feel about this whole schpeel.

"I didn't go off silly science, but rather my own personal dogmas."

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3 minutes ago, Maki said:

"I didn't go off silly science, but rather my own personal dogmas."

Nonono it's not some silly thing. Just look at a loli once without knowing the age and you will see a child.

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This argument makes as much sense and is basically on the same plane as the argument that violent video games create terrorists.

They don't. It has been thoroughly debunked by various scientific studies already, but people like to reject the science and want to try and censor it anyways because they don't like it.

No reasonable person cares. They're fictional characters. Move on. Find something more important to care about and fight against. Like, you know, actual sexual predators, not people looking at fictional drawings in the privacy of their own homes.

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No you're missing my point entirely because you want it to be okay and accepted it seems. A loli is a character drawn to have the appearance of a child or minor. It is a minor or child minus the ludicrous lore that exists on the internet when these characters are created. When you lewd a loli, you're lewding a character with the appearance of a minor! It's legit just like lewding a minor except it's suddenly okay because of some lore. These kinds of lewd art pieces don't prevent pedophilia at all! I would see it encouraging it because pedos will see it as a legal way to give in to the sickening urge of sexual attraction to children and minority figures rather than actively seeking for guidance and rehabilitation to curb their perversion.

I ain't gonna sit by and say "oooh okay, sorry! Jerking off to characters who are children except they're not because lore suggests this and this" because I will absolutely refuse to accept pedophilia and anything that has the same relevance. We should be preaching that these people get the help they need rather than saying "okay here's a laptop and some loli content. It's okay to do it in the silence since that's what this strange strange world is all about now"

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Strawmanning really isn't going to help your case here.

Nobody is saying you have to like it, or accept it. Just don't look at it if it bothers you. Not a hard concept. Regardless, as far as I am concerned, your feelings and opinions don't matter. Scientific studies disagree with you, and I'll choose to side with scientific studies.

You literally are no better than the people saying violent video games cause gun violence. Let's just replace a few words here:

But you kill people in these video games! That's murder! That's bad! It's just like shooting a real person but suddenly it's okay because it's just a video game. These kinds of games don't prevent gun violence at all! I would see it encouraging gun violence because teens will see it as a legal way to give into the sickening urge of murder rather than seeking guidance and rehabilitation to curb their perversion.

I don't think this topic needs further discussion and I'm going to lock it as it has ventured into flame war territory at least twice now and I'm not intervening a third time.

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