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Poads has gone to some trouble to state his point of view. My point of view is almost diametrically opposite. You'll never please everyone. Don't try.

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I completely disagree with your detractors. Your models are beautiful. Their attitudes make them even more beautiful (one of my turn offs is someone who is clearly not enjoying herself (bored or otherwise)). 

Putting yourself / your work out there is very difficult. You do not have face to face immediate feedback and when negative comments pour in, I can understand why you can feel discouraged. I hope you can ignore the negative comments and realise that your work (and an absolute credit to your beautiful stars!) is not only a cornerstone of this site but also and an inspiration to many amateur videographers/stars. 

I wish I could produce videos that approach the quality of yours.

And I will say it one more time ... Your models are beautiful. WE enjoy them and delight in their on-camera fun.

 

Thank you!

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I agree with what most others have said, just figured I'd throw in my support too. I dig your models, and as a side note, tattoos/piercings and such never bothered me, just my opinion though. I think it's pretty cool that you have models that actually enjoy themselves while shooting, some other produced content just seems too fake to me. 

Keep up the good work my guy, there's gonna be detractors no matter what you do.

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Although I have seen a relatively small amount of content from HD Wetting, the content that I have seen has all been high quality. Keep doing what you're doing and don't get discouraged. 

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Hey, man.  I don’t thing that HD Wetting sucks, at all.  I just think that it’s struggled a little bit in comparison to a combination of amateur vids and lovewetting.

To elaborate: amateur videos have become more common (but I still think there’s less of that content out there than professional quality vids), and the thing is that amateur content is hard to beat when you have girls that are super into the fetish as well as motivated but nothing but an image sexual desire to be seen and perform their fetish.  I think you’ve done a great job finding girls into it, but sometimes the editing feels a little forced (more later)

Lovewetting has really upped the ante.  They put girls in truly desperate situations where they do interesting games and situations that tickle the fancy of a lot of omo fans (or maybe just me, but this is also based on comments on their vids that I’ve read).  I think part of their success really is that they seem to be able to get girls who are at least good at ACTING like they don’t like the fetish as much, which leads to more of a genuine feeling of desperation because they leak slowly several times during their scenarios before having a few large losses of release.  But they also seem to be able to do it without getting overly dramatically sad like so many Japanese producers, ineed2pee, and WHP/ wetset tends to do.  Idk how or why, but there’s a good balance of embarrassment, loss of control, decent Japanese style games, and levity.

I don’t think HD Wetting sucks, by any means,  if anything, Ineed2pee sucks.  HD Wetting really raises the bar for omo vids back in the day, but then it seems like you guys fell into the “Later N64 through GameCube” rut that Nintendo did where you are still doing good shit, but you haven’t really been leading the pack for some time, now.  Now that people are seein your content in comparison to newer, more innovative content, it’s makin you fall from the “this shit is the best” level that you had for a good long while.

 

Theres a few trends I’ve noticed that worked before that maybe don’t so much anymore:

1) when you do a hard cut from desperation to a different take, from a different angle, that’s showing the girl pissing straight up and all-out from before when she was squirming.  Try throwing in smooth takes from desperation to wetting.  And don’t cut straight from a totally dry an squirmin girl to a girl stang I’m still and pissing all-out on herself.  Have her wet small amounts; trying to hold back, then let out larger and larger wet spots before losing control entirely.

2) I love the scenarios where you have two girls happily teasing each other into wetting for fun.  I love it and I love that kind of play because it’s sort of how it works IRL.  Make them a little more embarrassed.  Make the games a little more “high stakes” feeling.  Don’t always have them smiling and grinning through it all.  I personally like that, but sometimes every video feels the same when it becomes “Nikki tells Sammy to pee to get in the shower” every time.  Keep those up, because they are great, but TBH I think you may have gotten a little formulaic with it.

3) Set up better scenarios.  Or at least set them up better.  Mix in some full-on desperation vids where you start from empty and having them drink and then do tasks that break down their bladder control.  Mix in more outfits (dresses are nice ;) ).  Even some of your current vids have decent premises, but sometimes they feel a little forced and like it’s “yeah yeah this is happening, but look, pissing!”  Kinda like the first 5 minutes of a scooby doo episode, it feels repeated and unecessary.

 

again,, I do still love a lot of your vids, and it’s not that what you did is bad, it’s just that it’s been getting “same-ish.”  Keep it up, I have no doubt that you can throw a little more polish at it and take out the rough edges!!!

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@TVGuy there is some quite detailed and specific feedback in this thread. It would be interesting to read your thoughts on some of these points.

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45 minutes ago, ronmeyer said:

@TVGuy there is some quite detailed and specific feedback in this thread. It would be interesting to read your thoughts on some of these points.

Alright, I'll do that...  Here it goes-

 

On 4/14/2018 at 7:03 PM, james07s said:

These aren't really mutually exclusive, are they? Couldn't you have a mix of both?

Yes, they are often mutually exclusive.  For one, often talent contracts with agency represented talent dictate that only talent from that agency be used in a specific shoot.  Hiring other talent for that shoot would be in violation of that contract.  Outside of that, there is also the expense issue.  Often, shooting with agency represented talent is quite a bit more expensive and there are limits to how much you can shoot.

If I were to go with an agency model, I would only be able to afford to do a single model shoot.  We would have a model doing pee scenes who looks like your typical adult film star, who isn't really into what she is doing, and that is it.

 

On 4/14/2018 at 10:33 PM, Bulge_Lover said:

My one and only complaint is the lack of extended and real desperation. Your models are absolutely beautiful, and anyone who thinks otherwise can suck a bag of dicks. I feel horrible that they have to read such garbage. I'll never understand how anyone can treat women that way, no matter what their profession is. And as a content creator myself, I'm just as sorry that you have to deal with it.

Thank you @Bulge_Lover.  I can handle it, but I have to admit I get a bit protective of my cast and crew.  I see how hard they work, and the courage it takes not to just admit you have a fetish, but to go on camera, show your face, say you have a fetish, and want to share that fetish with the internet.  To me that takes an incredible amount of bravery, and I do get a bit upset when someone then attacks that person for not looking how they think a porn star should look.

 

On 4/15/2018 at 12:36 AM, omolpp said:

You can please some people but never all.    I don't post here much but I thought Id chime in. Being in my mid 40's I can clearly recall the days where I was thrilled just to read a story of some girl peeing her pants,   I moved from there to even more thrill when I found a few stray grainy ass images of a girl in peed pants  From there of course came the videos.  Technology has come a long way over 20 + years I think expectations have increased with it.

I speak for myself and in no way speak for anyone else but this is my opinion. I think a lot of people could relate at some point in out lived getting some sort of new toy.  It was the thrill of your life at first but over time it starts to leave you wanting.  Im starting to think wetting and watersports material has also become that way too.  I feel like with the vast amount of watersports media out there it has become mundane.  Girl dances around, maybe grabs her crotch a few time and then conveniently pees her pants.  It seems like that is pretty much how every video goes.  I feel like you and many other producers have found yourselves "grasping at straws" as it were.  Trying to find something new.  For me it seems that "grasping at straws" has led to the portrayal of unrealistic scenarios.  That may be great for some but not everyone.  I myself even see some of the scenarios as "sadistic".  That of course is my take on it and someone else will see it different,  I can only speak for myself.   I have been a member of your site and the technical quality of your videos is top notch but the scenarios to me are used, worn out and in some cases just unrealistic to me.  I guess my take is liking videos that represent a more realistic scenario.  To me that is situations that happen on a daily basis.  Traffic jams, perhaps cause by a traffic accident or bad weather that cause one to be caught in their car for extended periods of time.  For me an example would be stuck in the car with my fantasy girlfriend who desperately needs to pee.  She would be "mature" about it, not whimpering and whining like a 10 yr old girl.  After all lets face it most grown women are not going to sit there and whimper like a child over having to pee.  She may say something to the effect of not being sure she can wait and or hopes that her boyfriend will not be angry with her if the worst would happen.  For the sake of the scenario the boyfriend may or may not be turned on by the situation but he will be understanding.  It could go a few different ways from here.  Of course she could end up simply having an accident and her boyfriend is sympathetic and understanding or it could be played out a bit more.  Perhaps the boyfriend admits straight out that he would like to see her wet or she picks up on his body language that he is aroused by her situation and chooses to have some fun with it.  Of course she cold also be annoyed by it but that for me would travel down the sadistic route.  Might be ok for some entertaining a fantasy but its not my fantasy.  The whole scenario could end several ways.  She could make it to a rest area and use the bathroom, (what fun would that be though), she could make it to said bathroom only to pee her pants before she got to the bathroom.  There could also be other obstacles, perhaps an a gas station attendant will not allow her to use a bathroom causing her to wet or perhaps someone is in the bathroom taking an eternal dump and she pees her pants waiting. 

Here is another different fantasy of mine and I wonder who can relate.  Lets face it, not many of us are open about our "fetish" so approaching it with a partner is intimidating at the least.  I have fantasized being deeply involved in a heart to heart conversation with a women and finding the comfort to admit my "darkest fantasies" to her.  She may be a little surprised to find that I am aroused by the idea of a women wetting herself but she is not put off by it.  She may be mildly uncomfortable with the idea of intentionally wetting herself to indulge me but has a desire to please.  She may ask me to promise I would tell no one and offer to allow me to watch her pee in her pants.  Of course I am more than agreeable to those terms as I don't want anyone to know my "fetish" either.

I think as far as your models go,  there are some I don't find attractive but that is me and again I cant speak for everyone.  I myself like slim girls like Alisha, Sosha and Miki.  I would not being stuck in traffic with any of those 3 sitting next to me with a bursting bladder.  Well, that's my 2 cents worth I am curious what others think

 

Thanks for taking the time to write out the lengthy feedback @omolpp.  You made a few points that I would like to specifically address- First,  when you said, " I guess my take is liking videos that represent a more realistic scenario.  To me that is situations that happen on a daily basis."

This is what many people say they want- However, this is much more difficult to accomplish than you may think.  It turns out that adult women don't usually pee themselves on a regular basis.  People have very different ideas as to what constitutes a realistic wetting scenario.  You cited wetting in the car as an example, which I agree with, and we have done multiple trapped in the car scenarios at HD Wetting.  In fact I am currently engaged in a project outfitting a car with multiple cameras and microphones in order to better capture these kind of scenes.  However, I do believe we need to do more than just trapped in the care scenarios if we are going to continue to hold an audience.

Here are some scenarios we have done that match your description of this-

Sosha Needs to Pee in the Car
Bursting in the Car
Peeing in the Car
Sammy's Desperate Car Ride
Traffic Stop Accident
Desperate Passenger
Driving While Desperate
Driving While Desperate Again
Almost Made It
Train Crossing
Parking Pee
Roxanne Rest Area Wetting
Another Rest Area Accident
Wayside Accident
Mikki at the Gas Station

You also expressed that find that the typical video, showing a desperate girl holding herself until she wets, as mundane and uninteresting.  I do not produce these videos out of a lack of ambition or creativity to make anything else, but rather they keep getting requested.  Almost every single request I receive is some variation of this basic idea.  I would encourage anyone who is a member of HD Wetting make a request for the kind of video they would like to see, as most of what gets produced comes from user requests.

On 4/15/2018 at 3:05 AM, ronmeyer said:

Sosha did a couple shoots with a different style, with lots of makeup, no glasses (and even dyed hair?). I don't like these very much either, I love her otherwise very natural style. If possible, working with more different models gives you a much better chance to match the personal taste of more customers.

About the price: with the relatively few models and updates compared to competition, and the limitations of the acted scenarios, your site has a bit of an outdated vibe for me, and your short term membership price is quite high for that. The discounted price of longer-term membership matches my perception of the value of your content for me as a customer much better. But I will take a break after the six month membership spell is over as my budget is limited and I also do like content of other sites.

As an aside, the structure and navigation of your site could improve. For example, in the member area, you never see the descriptions of the videos and photoshoots anymore that are on the public part of the site. And the pages for videos and photoshoots load quite slowly.

 

To address these points, the feedback Sosha received on her stylistic changes was overwhelmingly positive.  In fact, you are the first person to offer feedback that I have scene who does not like Sosha's new  style.  I think this just goes to illustrate that everyone has their own preferences.

In regards to the price, producing these videos is expensive.  I have played around with different price points in the past, but the data showed no significant change in membership rates when I dropped the the price.  Ways to cut the price would be to make fewer videos, remove older videos from the site, or resort to producing poorer quality content.

In regard to the site itself, this is a constant project.  You may have noticed the recent ability to view videos by category within the members area?  Unfortunately I am only one person and I must prioritize what I work on.  In regards to the pages loading slowly, I am not sure why this would be.  I do not have slow slow load times, and the server performance seems good.  I think this might be a side effect of the super high resolution content that is being provided, it simply takes longer to load that much data.

On 4/15/2018 at 7:53 AM, Metal Gear said:

So I think the sites great although I do wish on the site there was a direct way to make suggestions for video ideas. While I usually can't afford the subscription most of the time every time I do pay I've always felt like it was worth money.

How do you suggest I make submitting video ideas easier?  As soon as one logs into the members area they are greeted with a link inviting them to make a request right on the member's area home page.

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On 4/15/2018 at 11:36 PM, poads said:

@TVGuy You are by far one of the most passionate producers I have seen in this line of work. So I am going to give you my honest thoughts. It's past 2am my time, and I have work tomorrow, so I gotta keep it brief, but here are my thoughts.

I'm more into diapers than wetting. I do watch desperation/wetting videos, but I probably view diaper content 75% of the time. But I know you have HD-Diapers too, so this should be applicable.

Also, I almost never pay for content. I probably haven't in 3-4 years. I pirate almost everything or find free content in some way. I know with 100% certainty there are people who pay for content, but I would imagine they're few and far between.

But I can say, if I were to sign-up for a site or pay for content, I would almost certainly not pay for yours. And I don't say that to be mean - I'm saying that to be honest. There are several reasons why.

First of all, the models aren't great. Don't get me wrong - they aren't bad looking women. But they aren't women I'm going to pay to see - especially when there are more appealing options out there. Look at SkyMouse with WettingHerPanties and DiaperGal. Models like Faye, Natalia, Sasha, etc. Yeah, not all of them (in fact most of them) are legitimately into this type of thing (aka they're there for a paycheck), but some of them are, and they're almost always porn-star sexy. And when you see the same ones repeatedly (Kayla, etc.) I can kinda trick myself into thinking, "Damn, maybe that sexy girl is really into this type of thing!"

Look at the barely-legal young girls on Clips4Sale (e.g. Princess Puddlez, etc.) Again, they appeal to me more, and probably many others as well. Look at Tumblr - full of cute girls doing what we like, and they're not even getting; they're real & free! And sometimes, it just takes some amateur videos with a girl who's really into it. Remember DiaperedDaisy, she was a "bigger" girl, but her videos were awesome because she had so much fun, and it just seemed so real. Another example, I always liked Diapergirl Gaby's pics - I knew she was real.

Second, your descriptions just don't do it for me. I often get off to the written word. I'll sometimes browse Clips4Sale, and I'll get off simply read the descriptions. Even sites where the actual content isn't admittedly great (e.g. MyDiaperGirlfriend) still have fantastic descriptions. Sometimes I'll read ABDL stories. Your descriptions just have it.

Finally, I've just never found many of your plots that great. The best at this was probably FLBabyGirls. Their videos often struck a cord with me. Yeah, they were sometimes outlandish, but they often worked. I often liked their videos where one of their girls was supposedly a bedwetter, and she had to be put back into diapers. That kind of plot appeals to me. More importantly, they didn't have many plots that turned me off (though their were some).

A big thing for your site in particular - Once BDSM gets involved, I lose interest. Once unattractive diapers (e.g. adult pull-ups, cloth-backed diapers) get involved, I start to tune out. I also don't really like lesbian content. I prefer more innocent videos. For instance, plots such as being shamefully put back into diapers, or having a wetting accident... they such strike such a more deeply rooted cord for me.

Again, I almost never pay for content. But I like some simple things. I want a good model with a pretty face. A nice body is great, but if she has a butter-face, then I'm usually turned-off. Remember, I like diaper and clothes wetting content. I have no need (or really a desire) to see her naked. In fact, straight up nudity often turns me off. I'm here for the wetting. That's my fetish. I want a girl wetting her diaper or clothes. In fact, it's probably best he has a shirt on. The face and the wetness is mostly what I'm looking at. It's also really sexy to me if a girl is dressed "normally" only to reveal she has been wearing a diaper all day... and it's soaked.

I want good descriptions. The written word is powerful for me.

I want TALKING. A girl who talks in the video (about how wet her diaper is or how embarrassed she is that she had an accident.... that's sexy).

And I want consistency. I often mentally "pretend" that the model is really incontinent - she NEEDS diapers, she's ALWAYS having accidents, wetting herself is something she does frequently, it's a part of her life. When I start seeing the same models, then I can create that mental image. For example, Snuppa videos are hugely sexy to me. That girl has been featured in so many videos. And her acting is fairly solid. I immediately went to work with creating a mental backstory of her - she is ALWAYS wetting her pants, she probably needs to wear diapers, like seriously. I doubt I'm the only one who does this, but I really need to paint a bigger picture to get off. I want to think that the situation is part of a bigger part of her life, if that makes sense. And if there is a good description, that helps.

Now, I know you do that, using the same models. But then they reveal too much of their bodies or their face doesn't do it for me, or they do some kinky BDSM shoot, and it just ruins it for me. Or when you start using unsexy adult pull-up diapers, I just don't like it (I really only like tabbed adult diapers and, to a lesser extent, Goodnites and cloth diapers).

To tell you the truth, I don't know what to tell you @TVGuy. I know you're passionate about this. But I don't have some magic answer for you. It just seems like there's so much wrong from my perspective. You try from so many angles so there's "something for everybody", but then it loses its credibility. It's like, you go to a restaurant that serves everything but isn't particularly good at anything. I'd rather just go to a restaurant that's particularly good at one type of cuisine. And then none of the models have that "young and fresh" or "porn-star sexy" look, doesn't help either. And the descriptions never seem to excite me. I don't know man.

I'm sorry if this post came off as very scatterbrained, I'm pretty tired, and I'm not very good at offering constructive criticism. All I can say is, check out the other sites/models/content creators I mentioned throughout this post. They have it, all in uniquely different ways. HD Wetting and HD Diapers just doesn't have it. Whether it's the models, the descriptions, the bouncing around between different content (aka, it's hard for me to paint a consistent ongoing story for a model) or simply the fact that sometimes it's a little too "adult" for my liking (aka more nudity than I like, BDSM content, models look more "mature"), it's just not appealing to me.

I hope you figure it out. I know you want this. I know this is your passion. But go look at some content from WHP, Diapergal, Snuppa, the top Clips4Sale diaper creators (e.g. PrincessPuddlez), the top ABDL content on Tumblr, the better FLBabyGirls videos, the old DiaperedDaisy videos, the descriptions from MyDiaperGirlfriend. All that content I like. And while I almost never pay for it, I will scour for hours looking for it.

That's all I got.

I am just going to reply honestly here, and appologize if it sounds rude.  @poads- I am completely 180 degrees separate from you on almost every single point you made here.

First, the original concern of this post was HD Wetting, not HD Diapers.  You right away start out by saying you are mainly into diapers, so I'm not too concerned with what you have to say about HD Wetting.  You go on to say how you almost never pay for content and you pirate almost everything.  This makes me even less concerned with your opinion, as you are not a paying customer, and further it makes me actively dislike you.  Piracy is incredibly financially damaging to what I do.  When I have other people here who are expressing unhappiness with the cost joining HD Wetting or HD Diapers, or the amount of new content they get for that cost, then you stating openly that you pirate content- You, and other pirates, are the reason sites have to cut back on their content production and have to charge more.  Piracy is selfish, it damages the ability of producers to continue making content, and it hurts the people who are making investments in new content.

Next, what you said you do like in your content is not what HD Diapers is about.  HD Diapers is a site for diaper lovers.  It celebrates wearing and intentionally using diapers for sexual purposes.  It is not an adult baby site, and it is not a site that is going to fetishize an actual medical issue like incontinence.  As you pointed out there are already plenty of sites out there for that, but that isn't what HD Diapers is.

As for the content descriptions, they are not meant to get you off.  If they were, and people were getting off on the descriptions alone, why would they be motivated to spend money to see the videos?  The purpose of the description is only to let people know what is in the video, not for people to get off on.

 

21 hours ago, Omodeprived said:

Hey, man.  I don’t thing that HD Wetting sucks, at all.  I just think that it’s struggled a little bit in comparison to a combination of amateur vids and lovewetting.

To elaborate: amateur videos have become more common (but I still think there’s less of that content out there than professional quality vids), and the thing is that amateur content is hard to beat when you have girls that are super into the fetish as well as motivated but nothing but an image sexual desire to be seen and perform their fetish.  I think you’ve done a great job finding girls into it, but sometimes the editing feels a little forced (more later)

Lovewetting has really upped the ante.  They put girls in truly desperate situations where they do interesting games and situations that tickle the fancy of a lot of omo fans (or maybe just me, but this is also based on comments on their vids that I’ve read).  I think part of their success really is that they seem to be able to get girls who are at least good at ACTING like they don’t like the fetish as much, which leads to more of a genuine feeling of desperation because they leak slowly several times during their scenarios before having a few large losses of release.  But they also seem to be able to do it without getting overly dramatically sad like so many Japanese producers, ineed2pee, and WHP/ wetset tends to do.  Idk how or why, but there’s a good balance of embarrassment, loss of control, decent Japanese style games, and levity.

I don’t think HD Wetting sucks, by any means,  if anything, Ineed2pee sucks.  HD Wetting really raises the bar for omo vids back in the day, but then it seems like you guys fell into the “Later N64 through GameCube” rut that Nintendo did where you are still doing good shit, but you haven’t really been leading the pack for some time, now.  Now that people are seein your content in comparison to newer, more innovative content, it’s makin you fall from the “this shit is the best” level that you had for a good long while.

 

Theres a few trends I’ve noticed that worked before that maybe don’t so much anymore:

1) when you do a hard cut from desperation to a different take, from a different angle, that’s showing the girl pissing straight up and all-out from before when she was squirming.  Try throwing in smooth takes from desperation to wetting.  And don’t cut straight from a totally dry an squirmin girl to a girl stang I’m still and pissing all-out on herself.  Have her wet small amounts; trying to hold back, then let out larger and larger wet spots before losing control entirely.

2) I love the scenarios where you have two girls happily teasing each other into wetting for fun.  I love it and I love that kind of play because it’s sort of how it works IRL.  Make them a little more embarrassed.  Make the games a little more “high stakes” feeling.  Don’t always have them smiling and grinning through it all.  I personally like that, but sometimes every video feels the same when it becomes “Nikki tells Sammy to pee to get in the shower” every time.  Keep those up, because they are great, but TBH I think you may have gotten a little formulaic with it.

3) Set up better scenarios.  Or at least set them up better.  Mix in some full-on desperation vids where you start from empty and having them drink and then do tasks that break down their bladder control.  Mix in more outfits (dresses are nice ;) ).  Even some of your current vids have decent premises, but sometimes they feel a little forced and like it’s “yeah yeah this is happening, but look, pissing!”  Kinda like the first 5 minutes of a scooby doo episode, it feels repeated and unecessary.

 

again,, I do still love a lot of your vids, and it’s not that what you did is bad, it’s just that it’s been getting “same-ish.”  Keep it up, I have no doubt that you can throw a little more polish at it and take out the rough edges!!!

I am not really sure how to reply here... I neither disagree or agree with you.  But I find your statements somewhat vague, and without citations or specific examples it is hard to address anything.

For the past two years now we have been going through some challenges.  Though we have tried our best to keep going with the shoots, it has affected the shoot planning, execution, and the overall moods of the shoots.  I think that perhaps some of this has started to leak into our content and has started to make things feel a little bit repetitive.  We had a major breach where someone used stolen credit cards to rip off a good portion of our site and share those videos on pirate sites.  This caused a dramatic loss in memberships all at once- Why pay for HD Wetting when you can get the videos for free on a Russian pirate site?  Our membership numbers still have not  recovered from that, and that has forced us to change how we approached content production.  We also had some legal issues at the same time- We didn't do anything wrong, a simple matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but this still resulted in a search warrant and having all of our cameras and computers seized.  Luckily we are finally starting to come out from these different issues and I feel, personally, things are finally starting to get back on track.

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I don't think I've seen enough of your content to have an opinion (such is the life of a proletariat who can't afford to spend money on porn).

 

I do have one request though.

 

Please never use Grieg's 'In the Hall of the Mountain King' as music again. Not a request specifically for you, but for every content creator in every field of video production. With the advent of YouTube and online video sharing, the song lost all of its original meaning long ago through a horrifying amount of over-use, and has now been reduced to little more than a cliché. Please, let it die with what little dignity it has left.

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13 minutes ago, Kez said:

Please never use Grieg's 'In the Hall of the Mountain King' as music again. Not a request specifically for you, but for every content creator in every field of video production. With the advent of YouTube and online video sharing, the song lost all of its original meaning long ago through a horrifying amount of over-use, and has now been reduced to little more than a cliché. Please, let it die with what little dignity it has left.

But it is such a good soundtrack for a desperation scene :)

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I respect that you followed your heart and stuck with your art. You also have success with it, TVGuy. It takes an amount of IDGAF to believe in yourself, and some won't understand that in this life. Must be tough when it's more than one person being a little s**t trying to bring you down. I know I don't like it even just one at a time.

Screw em'. Never forget how you started. Never let them break your spirit.

*That's what I tell myself sometimes

Best wishes

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@TVGuy Fair enough. If I'm not your target audience, then so be it. I'm more into diapers than I am wetting. If HDWetting is your concern here, and not HDDiapers, then much of my post is not applicable here.

And yes, I am actively turned-on by the idea of incontinence. I don't think that's a bad thing. But if that's not what you're going for, then so be it. Again, if I'm not your target audience, then that's okay.

The only problem I have with your reply is that you "dislike me" for pirating content. You don't even know me bro. And yet you're judging me for pirating some content here and there? How petty. And I'll even give you this - YES pirating is selfish. But it's also smart. If you can fully satisfy yourself through pirating content, then you absolutely should do it.

The fact of the matter is, it's up to the content creators (aka You) to stop people from doing it so that we either A) Purchase your content or B) Go hungry.

Complaining about the problem isn't going to help you. Do something about it. If people like your videos enough, then they will still buy them. It's the same thing as the music industry. Just be stoked that people are watching your videos. Do your best to protect them (I'll give you this - I almost never come across your videos for free, you do a good job of protecting them), and if enough people pay for them, it will work out.

And also my idea of "pirating" might be misleading; I don't use torrents or anything like that. But if I see an interesting video from a pay-site freely available on a random porn site, well you can probably be damn sure I'm going to watch it!

If you must know, I actually have legally purchased porn in the past. I held a subscription to DiaperGal for a few months, and I've purchased a couple of clips off of Clips4Sale. Hell, I even donated to Omorashi.org a few years ago, simply out of my love for the site. And I would certainly pay for porn again if it was appealing enough to me. The thing is, none of the for-purchase porn right now is. But when you say I'm not a "paying customer", the fact of the matter is I'm a "potentially paying customer". Maybe if your content was better...

And also, I happen to be a non-market socialist. If it were up to me, we'd abolish money altogether. The argument that pirating hurts your bottom-line is certainly true, but to me it just sounds like a businessman whining about not making as much money. So I'm not exactly the biggest fan of capitalism. If you're upset about pirating, get in a different industry. Because it's likely here to stay. If you want to be wealthy, go get in a different business. I honestly hope you can keep doing what you're doing because I'm sure you're a nice guy (even if you "dislike" me). But if you don't like it, well that's the rat-race of capitalism for ya. It wasn't my choice.

Oh and FYI I get off to descriptions... all the time. To me, the written word is often sexier than the actual content. So to say people don't get off to the descriptions is complete blasphemy.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my post. Hopefully someone else here gave you the answer you were looking for.

Have a nice day.

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55 minutes ago, poads said:

@TVGuy Fair enough. If I'm not your target audience, then so be it. I'm more into diapers than I am wetting. If HDWetting is your concern here, and not HDDiapers, then much of my post is not applicable here.

And yes, I am actively turned-on by the idea of incontinence. I don't think that's a bad thing. But if that's not what you're going for, then so be it. Again, if I'm not your target audience, then that's okay.

The only problem I have with your reply is that you "dislike me" for pirating content. You don't even know me bro. And yet you're judging me for pirating some content here and there? How petty. And I'll even give you this - YES pirating is selfish. But it's also smart. If you can fully satisfy yourself through pirating content, then you absolutely should do it.

The fact of the matter is, it's up to the content creators (aka You) to stop people from doing it so that we either A) Purchase your content or B) Go hungry.

Complaining about the problem isn't going to help you. Do something about it. If people like your videos enough, then they will still buy them. It's the same thing as the music industry. Just be stoked that people are watching your videos. Do your best to protect them (I'll give you this - I almost never come across your videos for free, you do a good job of protecting them), and if enough people pay for them, it will work out.

And also my idea of "pirating" might be misleading; I don't use torrents or anything like that. But if I see an interesting video from a pay-site freely available on a random porn site, well you can probably be damn sure I'm going to watch it!

If you must know, I actually have legally purchased porn in the past. I held a subscription to DiaperGal for a few months, and I've purchased a couple of clips off of Clips4Sale. Hell, I even donated to Omorashi.org a few years ago, simply out of my love for the site. And I would certainly pay for porn again if it was appealing enough to me. The thing is, none of the for-purchase porn right now is. But when you say I'm not a "paying customer", the fact of the matter is I'm a "potentially paying customer". Maybe if your content was better...

And also, I happen to be a non-market socialist. If it were up to me, we'd abolish money altogether. The argument that pirating hurts your bottom-line is certainly true, but to me it just sounds like a businessman whining about not making as much money. So I'm not exactly the biggest fan of capitalism. If you're upset about pirating, get in a different industry. Because it's likely here to stay. If you want to be wealthy, go get in a different business. I honestly hope you can keep doing what you're doing because I'm sure you're a nice guy (even if you "dislike" me). But if you don't like it, well that's the rat-race of capitalism for ya. It wasn't my choice.

Oh and FYI I get off to descriptions... all the time. To me, the written word is often sexier than the actual content. So to say people don't get off to the descriptions is complete blasphemy.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my post. Hopefully someone else here gave you the answer you were looking for.

Have a nice day.

Just to be clear, I was not trying to say that being turned on by incontinence is wrong.  Though I could definitely see how one might walk  away with that impression based on my original reply to you.  Rather, I was trying to communicate that simply was not the intent behind HD Diapers.  There are already other sites and producers who cater to people with that interest, which there is absolutely nothing wrong with, just I have chosen to make HD Diapers more narrowly focused.

Likewise, I don't think there is anything wrong with getting off on the descriptions or a scene.  I understand the power that stories can have, rather written or filmed or as a video game.  My intent was only to say that I did not find your statement that you don't get off to the descriptions on HD Diapers as a criticism, as that is not the  intent behind  those descriptions.  My goal is for users to make a purchase, and that purchase is usually sexually motivated.  If potential customers are able to be fully satisfied based on the promotional content surrounding a video, than there is no reason for them to spend any money and I have lost out on the sale.

I also do not particularly disagree with you when it comes to money being abolished altogether.  However, I do live in a world that uses money.  I have to pay for food, water, housing, insurance, fuel, and when it comes to producing fetish content, I have to pay for cameras, memory cards, computers, models, and a production crew.  Believe me, I do wish we lived in a world without money so that I could focus on creating what I want to create without financial concerns or limitations, but that is not the world we live in.

I am guessing that you likely have expenses as well, things like housing, food, bills, etc.  Surely you must have some sort of income- You do a certain amount of work and get paid some amount for it.  Would you be upset if suddenly your employer decided not to pay for the work you did?  Or would you be happy to work for free, despite your living costs and other expenses, because you are a non-market socialist?

When someone pirates my videos that I create through my own labor and expense, that is what they are doing- They are saying, "Thanks for all the work, but I'm not going to pay you. I'm just going to take the work that you did."

Since you are able to make these posts, I am also going to guess that you own at least some possessions, though I could be wrong.  Would it be acceptable for me to steal your computer and take it as my own?  Why not?  You could always work to get more money for a new computer?  By your own logic, wouldn't it be smart of me just to take your stuff from you if I could, instead of buy it on my own?  If you don't have proper security to protect your stuff, then it is your fault, right?

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@TVGuy

I am employed as a technical writer. I enjoy the work, but not so much that I would do it for free. If my boss decided not to pay me, I would leave. In fact, I have left previous jobs due to not being properly compensated for my work. That is why we have laws that protect employees and ensure that they get paid for their work. 

But remember, you aren't an employee. You are the owner of a production company. If your business isn't doing well due to rampant piracy, there are very few measures put in place to protect you. As a non-market socialist, I don't morally agree with that; I feel that you should be protected as long as enough people are consuming your product (in a money-free society there would be no need to pay for it, and the content would just be openly distributed as needed), but unfortunately that's not how it is with capitalism.

The thing is, the laws protecting employees are more easily enforced than content piracy laws.  Especially for niche porn videos that most people aren't even aware exist in the first place. If that isn't to your liking, then that's a government/political issue.

Do I break the law? Yes, I do. I run red lights. I consume some illegal substances. Sometimes I pirate videos. But do I get caught? No, I don't. And if I don't get caught, well then there really isn't that much that can be done about it, now is there?

If you were able to successfully take my belongings and I or the appropriate authorities were unable to stop you, well then there wouldn't be very much that we could do about it, now would there? That is why I maintain good security system with a reliable alarm monitoring plan. Plus, if you tried to take my stuff, I'd put a bullet through your head. There are certainly "professional" thieves and burglars out there. If they can get away with it, well then who's to say they can't do it? You can disagree with that morally all you want, but that isn't going to stop them. Instead, you have to protect yourself.

It sounds like protecting your videos should be very important to you. Just like protecting my property is very important to me.

And remember, you chose to do this for a living. One of the downsides to being a producer in the adult entertainment industry is that your content is heavily prone to being pirated. That's just the way it is. Yes, it cuts into your earnings. Yes, if it's severe enough it can ruin your livelihood. Yes, it sucks for you. But people are still going to keep doing it.

Given our circumstances of living in a capitalistic society, I, on the other hand, chose a reliable and consistent paycheck where I don't have to worry nearly as much (or at all for that matter) about not receiving my income. Again, I like my job, but if it were up to me, I'd go pro in competitive Pokemon and dedicate my full attention to that. I'm a good battler (last generation I briefly held the number one ranking in an official tier on PokemonShowdown.com), but I'm not nearly good enough or consistent enough to make a living doing it. So would it do me any good to complain? "Boo hoo I didn't win enough matches, so now I don't have enough money!" No, people would look at me like I'm a fool. So while I may be more passionate about competitive Pokemon than technical writing, I chose the latter as a career because I can rest easy at night knowing that I have enough money to support myself.

You chased your passions by becoming a content creator. If you can make it work, then hey, good for you! But if you can't, don't expect me to feel sorry for you.

Again, make the best videos you can. Protect your videos the best you can. Market your content the best you can. If you're good enough, it will all work out. Adam Smith's invisible hand will take care of you.

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18 hours ago, TVGuy said:

Alright, I'll do that...  Here it goes-

To address these points, the feedback Sosha received on her stylistic changes was overwhelmingly positive.  In fact, you are the first person to offer feedback that I have scene who does not like Sosha's new  style.  I think this just goes to illustrate that everyone has their own preferences.

This was indeed the point I was trying to make - along with the suggestion that more model diversity might address this. Of course you are the one who can judge whether you can achieve that given how your business and market works.

18 hours ago, TVGuy said:

In regards to the price, producing these videos is expensive. I have played around with different price points in the past, but the data showed no significant change in membership rates when I dropped the the price.  Ways to cut the price would be to make fewer videos, remove older videos from the site, or resort to producing poorer quality content.

I did not want to suggest that. You asked for feedback on criticism you received, my feedback was: from my perspective as a customer without any experience in producing content, I agree with the criticism on the price to some degree. If cutting the price is not possible or feasible without compromising the qualities of the site, don't do it. My way to deal with that is that I am not a permanent member but go on and off over time - as I do with competing sites as well.

18 hours ago, TVGuy said:

In regard to the site itself, this is a constant project.  You may have noticed the recent ability to view videos by category within the members area?  Unfortunately I am only one person and I must prioritize what I work on. 

Believe me, I do understand.

18 hours ago, TVGuy said:

In regards to the pages loading slowly, I am not sure why this would be.  I do not have slow slow load times, and the server performance seems good.  I think this might be a side effect of the super high resolution content that is being provided, it simply takes longer to load that much data.

The site is not slow in general. But the member video index, the member photo index and the index page of larger galleries load slowly for me. They seem to be quite JavaScript-heavy, and mostly they load a lot of data. If I had to try to make these pages faster, I'd try to reduce the amount of data they load, e.g. by using pagination or something. But as I said, it is an aside and  it plays no role in my decision if and when an for how long I'm paying a membership.

All in all I hope my last post didn't feel discouraging for you, I started to like your site a long time ago and still do, and even if I don't think it is that single extraordinary site out there that it used to be for me couple years ago I will keep coming back to it as long as you can keep it up to the level it still has.

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TV Guy, I don't think it is really worth taking care of such comments. First, they are clearly designated to hurt, they are not made to be useful and constructive. There are so many ways to express the same ideas without being so rude about the models. And the fact you receive these "feedback" in a short amount of time can be seen as an indication there is only one or two people behind that, from different profiles and accounts, but the same people. They clearly are not the voice of the majoity, just the voice of a minority, and the kind of minority that isn't worth considering the opinion.

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@TVGuy I know, I've overstayed my welcome on this post. But I have to throw this out there.

Maybe reducing the quality of your videos wouldn't be such a bad idea if it can lower prices? Maybe you don't need the fancy equipment, an entire production team, etc. I cannot speak for anyone else here, but I personally don't really care if the video is in high-definition or shot in the most professional manner possible. All I really care about is whether or not I like the model and whether or not the content itself is appealing to me. Some of the sexiest videos I've purchased off Clips4Sale were just a girl fooling around with her own cheap camera. No fancy equipment or production team needed.

I know your site is HDWetting, but maybe SDWetting is more profitable ;)

Again, I'm not speaking for anyone else. Maybe other users here care deeply about the picture-quality and the professionalism of their adult entertainment. But I really don't.

Just a thought.

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I like HDwetting. I'm not going to lie the Haydee is/was gorgeous imo. The content is fine and the filming. No probs here

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The models are ugly af, that's the biggest thing. Like they're either fat or just have a really unfortunate face. Second is most of the videos feel "overly edited." Last video of yours I watched was one where Dance of the Sugar Plum fairy was edited over it or something. I think it was a Christmas-themed video but it killed the mood.

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Its very nice to see a site asking for feedback and I think peoples comments would be much more polite if they were made face to face instead of on the internet.

 

Heres my view:

HD Diapers (I know its not exactly the subject) is obviously one of the most authentic sites out there. But ive never been inclined to join because of the limited selection of similar looking models . Compared to other sites.

I have been a member of: Diapergal, Babydoll, ABDreams, UKDiapergirls.

From a business perspective, if you have a wider variety of different looking models you are going to appeal to more potential customers. You are more likely  to get that impulse signup where someone sees a model they think is 'drop dead gorgeous'.

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Just got a month subscription to see what all this is about. 

I'm digging it. I love the 'unintentional accident' videos. The models look like real ladies (though there was a bedwetting video where the model went to bed in eye shadow -_- ).

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TVGuy in my opinion, you are one of the best producers in this industry and your site remains as the only one that I have ever purchased membership for. Now it is true that everyone has preferences on content, but what I like about yours is the variety. The reason I purchased your membership in the past was because I knew I had a lot to choose from and that kept it interesting. I also want to point out how I love how open you are to requests and how vocal you are about your business as a whole but to cut it to the point..

 

It's unique. HD Wetting stands out above the rest and thats what catches my eye. All the what if/kinky scenarios is the secret weapon for me :admire2: . You don't see it anywhere else like this.

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I avoided saying anything till just now, but maybe you need to hear this.

No. It doesn’t suck. I just want all of your content on one site, and I want more content than you could possibly make and for cheaper than you could possibly afford. Which is of course my problem, but it’s why I’m not currently subscribed. 

I like a lot of your scenarios, I like the actresses, the actual videos are great, and I think your attitude to trying different things in the videos is good. 

I don’t like some of the acting. But I like most of it. You CAN tell they’re enjoying it usually, but you can also still see that it’s not necessarily genuine. Not that it’s much of a hindrance. Honestly, they’re all incredibly beautiful, and it’s okay that they’re not Hollywood film stars with their acting. 

Sometimes things get repeated, but realistically there’s only so much that you can do. 

I have very much enjoyed paying you money before. I would do it again if I had more. 

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hate the fact that it is too expensive.

and for me, I am not interested in the sexual part at all. it suits many i know but i am sure there are some people who are like me and it has nothing to do with sex (i.e. i don't see the point of nudity or sex at all-doesn't match the storyline) 

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TVGuy,

I may have missed it, but you don't say whether your sales are doing well or not. My point is that I think you (and perhaps the whole omorashi fetish) appeals to a different group of people than those who like porn in general. If enough people like your videos, why worry about negative feedback - you are supplying something that a lot of people adore, and maybe some of your customers are women who become more confident watching women do what they themselves do, or would like to do.

Your girls aren't seen as objects, picked out from a field of prize vegetables(!!), they are seen as real women with a fetish that we all share - women that would make absolutely wonderful wet girlfriends.

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Not a lot of middle of the road opinions here. It's almost like we forget that you can be moderate on things.

I'm moderately uninterested in your work. You sound like you want to sell the reality of desperation and wetting. Some people will like that. I, however, prefer the fantasy, not the reality. And judging from the "market share" that we all can see, it seems the fantasy is what's preferred overall. The reality-sell exists, though, and that's the niche you've chosen to occupy. It's a small one, but it's there and viable.

I'm the kind of guy that goes for ineed2pee, bound2burst, and lovewetting, more or less in that order. Youngpeegirls when it was around was also very nice. So that's where my barometer is.

And on a more personal note, you also do a lot of virtue signaling within the community. You're standing up for what you believe is right, which is commendable. But it's going to cost you some customers as well. That's not unique to porn, that's any business. Keep that in mind because it likely has more of an effect than you understand. We don't really see Dave North feeling the need to make videos about consent, despite his site being demonstrably much more BDSM-oriented than yours. I don't think he's getting any fewer crazy e-mails than you are, either.

One of the more important lessons I've learned is that for every one person who is loudly cheering you and patting you on the back, there are about 5 keeping their mouths shut and judging the shit out of you.

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