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3 minutes ago, PrettyNice said:

There’s nothing creepy with what @TrueDepression is saying, he’s just making a statement saying that it’s not illegal to pee your pants infront of strangers. Is it unethical and weird? Yes, but does this make truedepression creepy? No, he’s just stating facts. And if he gets banned for making a statement like this then take me with him because that’s absolutely ridiculous.

If you believe that then you completely missed the point of the thread. Performing a sexual act in front of a non-consenting individual is, in fact, illegal. For an omo-enthusiast, peeing your pants is a sexual act. It is something you are doing for the explicit purpose of sexual arousal and therefore involving other people in a sexual act. TrueDepression implied that peeing your pants within your own home was an exemption to this rule and we are telling them that that is untrue. Inviting someone to your house in order to have them unwillingly participate in a sexual act or fantasy is, in fact, illegal, and grounds for a sexual harassment lawsuit.

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8 hours ago, PrettyNice said:

There’s nothing creepy with what @TrueDepression is saying, he’s just making a statement saying that it’s not illegal to pee your pants infront of strangers. Is it unethical and weird? Yes, but does this make truedepression creepy? No, he’s just stating facts. And if he gets banned for making a statement like this then take me with him because that’s absolutely ridiculous.

TrueDespression seemed to be making arguments for it being okay to involve another person in their sexual fantasy, without the consent of that person, when that fantasy involves one wetting one's self.  I think that many of us consider it creepy to do things for sexual purposes without the consent of all those involved, legal or not.  In regards to the legality involved, the situations described here  could very well be considered criminal harassment, so it is not a given that it would even be legal to begin with.

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10 minutes ago, OmoCommando said:

If you believe that then you completely missed the point of the thread. Performing a sexual act in front of a non-consenting individual is, in fact, illegal. For an omo-enthusiast, peeing your pants is a sexual act. It is something you are doing for the explicit purpose of sexual arousal and therefore involving other people in a sexual act. TrueDepression implied that peeing your pants within your own home was an exemption to this rule and we are telling them that that is untrue. Inviting someone to your house in order to have them unwillingly participate in a sexual act or fantasy is, in fact, illegal, and grounds for a sexual harassment lawsuit.

For the majority of people out there, peeing your pants isn’t a sexual act. If you stood there and peed your pants infront of a pizza guy, neither of you are partaking in anything sexual. It’s a different story if you MAKE it sexual, but if you just pee your pants infront of someone then it’s not sexual harassment. 

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4 minutes ago, PrettyNice said:

For the majority of people out there, peeing your pants isn’t a sexual act. If you stood there and peed your pants infront of a pizza guy, neither of you are partaking in anything sexual. It’s a different story if you MAKE it sexual, but if you just pee your pants infront of someone then it’s not sexual harassment. 

You're moving the goal posts here. The argument is not whether peeing your pants in front of someone at all is okay. It is an issue of knowingly peeing your pants in front of someone with the intent of fulfilling a sexual fantasy or desire. That's the issue that TVGuy is trying to point out that he's having.

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1 minute ago, TVGuy said:

TrueDespression seemed to be making arguments for it being okay to involve another person in their sexual fantasy, without the consent of that person, when that fantasy involves one wetting one's self.  I think that many of us consider it creepy to do things for sexual purposes without the consent of all those involved, legal or not.  In regards to the legality involved, the situations described here  could very well be considered criminal harassment, so it is not a given that it would even be legal to begin with.

First you are the person whi compares rape and spying to peeing in your pants. The former are criminal acts and have serious punishment to them. Peeing in your pants is not. 

Note that different countries and different states have differing rules, used states as I'm sure this website and your association are based in the US. In some countries, if your window is open and you are undressing not for any sexual play but for changing your clothes and your neighbor sees it, it's a crime. 

In other states, you can greet people naked as long as in private property. We have read a story of a person who did that for ten years yet bot punished. In some countries any form of porn is illegal. 

The word creepy is also subjective like morality. For some this entire website is creepy while for others it's a joke. Some might find 'our' behavior creepy others won't. 

You never talked about why you don't do podcasts or audio files. Again, no homo. 

In the place We live in doing the pizza thing is legal, given the person receiving the pizza is a female or minor. 

The part about peeing your pants is wrong is based on common sense of our general society. It is socially condemned or taken as a joke. Claiming it is legal does not change others viewpoint on it. It is still considered bad.

In my region saying 'kys' online is not punishable as long as there is no prior harassment. 

There are many ISPs that have to look up browsing done by other users in case of investigations. One person, might have a sexual fantasy of someone seeing their browsing history. Due to investigation caused by some other external source not because of them or their involvement, their fantasy is fulfilled. Did they ask consent? Is this illegal? No and no. 

Long story short, asking consent is a good thing and not asking is bad ethics. However in certain situations, not asking consent even though bad,it is legal. If you want to encourage asking consent, go for it. Do you want to spread hate towards not asking consent, go for it. We are merely pointing it out in certain situations in certain places at certain times, it is still legal. 

 

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On 2/26/2018 at 1:19 AM, TrueDepression said:

However, about the 'pizza video'... It's a bit different. If the real life version was recorded, that would be wrong however if it is not recorded and the wetting happens at the door of YOUR HOUSE then it is perfectly fine. It's immoral and rude, yeah but it cannot be deemed a crime. 

But I’m going off what Truedepression is saying and defending what he’s stating. 

He isn’t mentioning that the intent was to be sexual, he’s stating that it isn’t illegal to pee your pants infront of someone on your doorstep.

 

 

34 minutes ago, PrettyNice said:

There’s nothing creepy with what @TrueDepression is saying, he’s just making a statement saying that it’s not illegal to pee your pants infront of strangers.

And I’ve been by this from the beginning so I’m not understanding how I’m jumping goal posts. I completely agree that it’s wrong to pee your pants infront of someone and make it sexual, but it’s not sexual harassment if you aren’t.

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@TrueDepression / @PrettyNice,

It has been explained here multiple times how and why this is not an issue of legality and how ethics/morals and legality are not one and the same.

At this point you are just steering the conversation around in circles and trying to perform mental gymnastics to self-justify this behaviour in your own mind.

Our policy on this is clearly outlined in our own guidelines and Terms of Service.

https://www.omorashi.org/guidelines

If you wish to continue trying to defend and justify this type of behaviour here, I will be issuing account penalties to both of your accounts.

This is not a complex issue. Stop trying to make it one.

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20 minutes ago, Kirito said:

@TrueDepression / @PrettyNice,

It has been explained here multiple times how and why this is not an issue of legality and how ethics/morals and legality are not one and the same.

At this point you are just steering the conversation around in circles and trying to perform mental gymnastics to self-justify this behaviour in your own mind.

Our policy on this is clearly outlined in our own guidelines and Terms of Service.

https://www.omorashi.org/guidelines

If you wish to continue trying to defend and justify this type of behaviour here, I will be issuing account penalties to both of your accounts.

This is not a complex issue. Stop trying to make it one.

Community Rules and Guidelines

Actionable Offenses

Engaging in or directly supporting unethical behavior

Primary examples of this include..

  • Directly supporting or engaging in stalkerish behavior
    Tailing strangers that appear desperate for the restroom (as an example) is virtually always just plain creepy and absolutely not acceptable conduct. Do not post about such events here, even if you were not personally involved in them.
  • A callous disregard for the privacy and security of others
    Do not post content recorded without consent (“voyeur”/hidden camera videos, CCTV clips, etc.) Note that this does not apply to consensual (i.e. staged) voyeur scenarios.
  • Causing intentional damage to another person's property
    Don't intentionally wet yourself on another person's property (unless they are okay with it). Naturally “accidents happen” now and then, and it’s certainly fine to share those events here! But intentionally doing so to get yourself off just makes you a jerk. Don’t be a jerk!

Can you inform us where it is mentioned that peeing your pants in your house without consent of those who are visiting, with or without sexual intent is banned? 

Intent cannot be identified. By the other person usually. "What if I was having a holding contest and my friend ordered a pizza for us. I have my pants padlocked and my friend has the key, so I am desperate and can't pee in the toilet. Now I am filled with thrill that a pizza guy is coming and might actually watch me pee. Though I won't pee intentionally. When he comes, the dams bursts not intentionally. I explain that it was a prank by my friend. He leaves somewhat disgusted. Did I call him here to make him see my wet pants? No. Did I pee intentionally? No. Did he take part in my sexual fantasy without knowing even though it was not my initial motive? Yeah. "

We are against posting of any content spreading real-life information about such events. Though we are neutral, neither supporting nor protesting when someone does that.

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@TrueDepression Part of being a member of omo.org is the expectation that you can intuit what is reasonable behaviour and what is not. To cite your own example, you likely would have known that there was a chance the pizza deliveryman could arrive at a poor moment while indulging your sexual fantasies and you had the means to prevent that from happening and knowingly chose not to. However, hypothetical situations will not prove the point as there is always an exception to any rule.

The bottom line is that omo.org does not support the behaviour of involving people in sexual acts without their knowledge or consent. If you cannot grasp this concept, perhaps you need to spend some time away from the site. You can have a special bonus for the insulting meme too.

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Literally none of us have been talking about law save for that one dude. This is not a matter of law. This has never been a matter of legality.

Because, believe it or not, omorashi.org is a privately owned website. Here on omorashi.org, morality and ethics ARE law. Point-blank period.

Omorashi.org is against involving people in your sexual fantasy without their consent. When I say that, it is not a goddamn invitation to try and justify it using legal speak, or try to think up some loophole in which you can still possibly do it via timing, or god fucking forbid, argue that intent cannot be identified so who cares?

Yeah, mental gymnastics are the words I'd use for some bullshit like that.

This is how things are here. If you post about doing such things, you will be penalized. If you try to defend such horrid behavior, you will be penalized. Which you already have been, and you may think the warning is harsh, but in reality you're just lucky I didn't get here first.

Here on omorashi.org, the things Kirito and Omocommando have been saying ARE the law. In the future, if you manage to dig yourself out of the hole your pretentious ass dug for itself and become an active member of the community, you'd do well to remember it. Concern yourself with those laws first and foremost.

 

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On 2/26/2018 at 7:28 AM, TrueDepression said:

Thirdly, "My fantasy is walking across the streets in a furry costume and be accepted by my friends who are not at all affected by it. Do I have to ask consent of everyone planning on using that street that if they are okay with it? What if I like peeing in my backyard and my fantasy is being watched by others while peeing. My backyard has a fence on which the other side there is someone else's house. I pee in the yard not caring if they can see or not but hoping they could. Do I need consent to pee in my own yard?"

 

Furries are a good example because I find them a bit creepy (no offense intended, its the voices that get to me) but I wouldnt go as far as to say you need my consent for me to see you in a furry outfit in public.

 

I think this isnt a simple black and white issue as it was first presented.

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Ok, so as I understand, having someone around to watch you wetting yourself, unaware it's your sexual pleasure, is wrong - a sexual abuse that is/should be illegal. 

Yet, there are tons of videos of public wettings on this site, with bystanders around, not knowing what's going on, and every other person on this forum fantasies about wetting themselves in public, write stories about it, and nobody seems to mind about that? I don't really get it. Weren't those people in public, that witnessed the wettings, also sexually abused - being part of the fantasy of someone watching you while wetting?

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imo... its more of "I can see, but can't find anyone to do it with"

you can make videos to "please" people but the main issue is, even for dating couples, how many would actually pee their pants for their partners. even if the S/O does it, how many of their other party will accept. (liking is part 2).

I guess if there is a way to pay someone to do it (prostitution is paid sex), then I guess alof of this bull will be gone?

idk. my two cents

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Intent cannot be identified.

Actually, if we're into the fucking pants wetting lawyer phase intent can be established legally in consideration of evidence presented.

It can also be inferred by any reasonable person with a brain.

 

By the other person usually. "What if I was having a holding contest and my friend ordered a pizza for us. I have my pants padlocked and my friend has the key, so I am desperate and can't pee in the toilet. Now I am filled with thrill that a pizza guy is coming and might actually watch me pee. Though I won't pee intentionally. When he comes, the dams bursts not intentionally. I explain that it was a prank by my friend. He leaves somewhat disgusted. Did I call him here to make him see my wet pants? No. Did I pee intentionally? No. Did he take part in my sexual fantasy without knowing even though it was not my initial motive? Yeah. "

That wasn't the case presented, though. It's also still incredibly stupid to involve innocent bystanders in your fetishes.

 

We are against posting of any content spreading real-life information about such events. Though we are neutral, neither supporting nor protesting when someone does that.

So you're neutral and against it? What? Who is 'we'? I'm definitely not okay with other people involving unwilling bystanders in their fetishes.

 

11 hours ago, PrettyNice said:

There’s nothing creepy with what @TrueDepression is saying, he’s just making a statement saying that it’s not illegal to pee your pants infront of strangers. Is it unethical and weird? Yes, but does this make truedepression creepy? No, he’s just stating facts. And if he gets banned for making a statement like this then take me with him because that’s absolutely ridiculous.

The problem isn't that it's illegal, it's that it is, in fact, creepy and wrong to impress your fetishes on others without warning.

You'd be totally okay with visiting your friend's house and having his roommate walk out, shit his pants right in the middle of the living room, and then go masturbate in his room about it? I mean, it's not illegal, how dare you imply it's wrong and creepy.

 

We're not going to turn him into the police for gassing or anything, but this is definitely not the community for this behavior. There are plenty of other fetish sites that openly celebrate this behavior. We don't, and we don't for ethical reasons.

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1 hour ago, jc22jc said:

Furries are a good example because I find them a bit creepy (no offense intended, its the voices that get to me) but I wouldnt go as far as to say you need my consent for me to see you in a furry outfit in public.

I think this isnt a simple black and white issue as it was first presented.

Because being a furry is not inherently sexual. Doing lewd things in a furry costume in a public place would be inappropriate, but none of that stuff happens at public furry conventions and the sort.

You can easily do some research on the furry community and such on WikiFur if you'd like to learn more.

No, it's not really "black and white" but it shouldn't be difficult for a decent moral person to be able to identify where the line is.

It really is largely a matter of intent, and that shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

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2 hours ago, slovenc79 said:

Ok, so as I understand, having someone around to watch you wetting yourself, unaware it's your sexual pleasure, is wrong - a sexual abuse that is/should be illegal. 

Yet, there are tons of videos of public wettings on this site, with bystanders around, not knowing what's going on, and every other person on this forum fantasies about wetting themselves in public, write stories about it, and nobody seems to mind about that? I don't really get it. Weren't those people in public, that witnessed the wettings, also sexually abused - being part of the fantasy of someone watching you while wetting?

I think people are thinking more along the lines of: it's one thing to wet yourself out in public without directly involving bystanders. It's totally different to lure an unsuspecting person to you under false pretenses (like ordering a pizza) and wetting yourself in front of them for sexual gratification. Directly involving somebody in your sexual fetish without their consent is the problem here.

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Luring anybody under false pretenses is already a pretty shitty thing to do, but doing it so you can creep on them - forcing them to observe your actions for your own selfish pleasure, is absolutely reprehensible.

A more direct and non-fetish related example: How would you feel working a pizza delivery job if somebody opened the door and stared at you as they jerked off? The semantics are different but the intent is the same.

It's fucking creepy, illegal, and predatory. The sort of stuff that gets you on a sex offender database.

It's a shame that such a thing has even been considered by members of the community, and it's damaging to all of the sane, law abiding people who get lumped into the pee fetishist category.

@TVGuy, thank you for putting out this PSA - You're an important part of our community and it's nice to see positive and responsible conduct from a content creator.

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What I find absolutely astounding here is that I put out a video that essentially says before involving anyone else in your sexual fantasy, you should make sure they understand what is going on and consent to being a part of it.  I figured this would be an extremely obvious statement everyone would agree with.  I seriously didn't expect that anyone would try to argue that consent isn't always necessary when it comes to participating in a sexual fantasy.

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44 minutes ago, LoadedMink said:

I think people are thinking more along the lines of: it's one thing to wet yourself out in public without directly involving bystanders. It's totally different to lure an unsuspecting person to you under false pretenses (like ordering a pizza) and wetting yourself in front of them for sexual gratification. Directly involving somebody in your sexual fetish without their consent is the problem here.

It is different as it being less direct, but still - the purpose of public wetting is for random people to see you, or at least risking that it does, right? Just like flashing, public masturbation, sex in public, which are mostly illegal in most countries. Wetting is sexual, and it is still involving people without consent ;) It's just less obvious to public that they're part of the arousal, like at flashing, for example. 
 

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22 minutes ago, slovenc79 said:

It is different as it being less direct, but still - the purpose of public wetting is for random people to see you, or at least risking that it does, right? Just like flashing, public masturbation, sex in public, which are mostly illegal in most countries. Wetting is sexual, and it is still involving people without consent ;) It's just less obvious to public that they're part of the arousal, like at flashing, for example. 
 

In public, it's certainly not as intimate, and people do have accidents at times. From my perspective, it's a lot less intrusive or personal when you're in, say, a mall and have wet in the middle of a shifting crowd.

It's still marginal, though. Privacy is usually for the best.

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I completely agree with what @TVGuy is putting out, it’s the fact that truedepression is putting out his opinion and is being bullied and insulted without anyone doing anything.

7 hours ago, KozmoFox said:

if you manage to dig yourself out of the hole your pretentious ass dug for itself and become an active member of the community, you'd do well to remember it.

 

5 hours ago, Misteriousmr said:

on the other hand it's almost scary how dumb and dense some people on this very site are.

 

7 hours ago, Clom said:

Please stop talking. I, and probably everybody else here, can only handle so much stupid.

I’m not just going to sit back and watch a member of this community be insulted multiple times and be fine with it. This is the moderators, and the members that are bullying @TrueDepression and getting away with it. His opinion may be wrong to everyone on this post, but me and everyone else on this website deserves an opinion that shouldn’t be brought down and punished for having such an opinion. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, if you ban @TrueDepression then take me with him because I don’t want to be in a community like this.

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