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This is the paid version of She Can't Hang Up.  The paid version is available here.  Both versions are exactly the same.

Proponents of video piracy make the argument that piracy is actually good for producers.  That upon seeing the quality of a producer's material, people will want to pay to support the content that they like.  Piracy, it is argued, gives producers more exposure resulting in more people paying.  So, this is an experiment- If the hypothesis is correct, more people should buy this video than another one that is not also available for free.

Unable to get off the phone, Sosha has a humiliating pee accident, completely soaking her tight jeans, in this adorable video.

We all have that one friend.  You know the one, who’s life is non-stop drama, who always needs to be the center of attention, but who is so emotionally fragile that you dare not say or do anything to upset them, for fear of throwing them into a major emotional crisis.  For Sosha and Alisha, that friend is Susan, who’s poorly timed phone call ends up causing Sosha to pee in her pants in this video.

With her bladder already achingly full, Sosha speeds to the bathroom.  She is almost there when the phone rings.  Afraid that it might be an important call, she decides to answer, figuring she can hold on just a bit longer.  The caller, however, turns out to be Susan, who is having yet another crisis.  Susan is obviously in an extremely fragile state, so despite being unbearably desperate to pee, Sosha must be calm and careful not to say anything upsetting.

Luckily, Sosha has a potential exit strategy.  Alisha is also home, and could possible take over the phone call, allowing her to run to the bathroom.  Alisha walks by several times, and Sosha frantically tries to get her attention, but Alisha seems oblivious to Sosha’s situation.  As a result it becomes increasingly difficult for Sosha to maintain control of her bladder.

Despite crossing her legs and tightly clutching her crotch, Sosha is eventually unable to hold back the impending flood.  Still on the phone, listening to Susan’s latest tragedy, Sosha pees in her pants.  Warm rivers of urine cascade down her legs to the floor as she stands in shock, soaking herself, while still trying to pretend she is paying attention to Susan on the phone.

Only after she has completely peed in her pants does Alisha pass by and notice that she just had a major accident.  Angry that Alisha didn’t save her early, Sosha thrusts the receiver at Alisha, forcing her to take over the conversation, as she storms off to clean up her accident.


 

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Hi TV Guy- a couple of points about this experiment.

1. Writing about the nature of the experiment upfront completely biases the results. If you are truly interested in studying consumer behavior, just post the video and description with no mention of why you did it.

2. There are certain things a market segment will only consume for free under any circumstance- pornography tends to be one of them. For example, if you sent a stripper to my house to perform a free show, I'd accept. However, I would never visit a strip club and pay for that service.

Thanks for the free video. I'm sure your work is excellent like always.

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7 minutes ago, fullbladder said:

Hi TV Guy- a couple of points about this experiment.

1. Writing about the nature of the experiment upfront completely biases the results. If you are truly interested in studying consumer behavior, just post the video and description with no mention of why you did it.

2. There are certain things a market segment will only consume for free under any circumstance- pornography tends to be one of them. For example, if you sent a stripper to my house to perform a free show, I'd accept. However, I would never visit a strip club and pay for that service.

Thanks for the free video. I'm sure your work is excellent like always.

As for your first point, I am only interested in the results if people know that it is available for free, or they can pay for it.  If someone only finds the free video or only finds the paid video, I don't want them to not be aware of the other option.  For the sake of this experiment, I am okay with the consumer behavior being biased by this knowledge.

In regards to your second point, I agree completely.  However, the argument made regarding piracy was made specifically in the context of wetting fetish videos, not a generic argument about piracy as a whole.  This argument as also been made in the past when the topic comes up, so I figured I would test it.  I figure if there is any merit to this argument, sales of this video should be higher compared to other videos that are not released for free.

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i gotta admit, i've only bought one video in my life. i am extremely scared about my privacy, and mostly amateur stuff is ok and from dead sites that i can't pay for anyways.

it was a bound2burst compilation with a ton of videos i loved previously all packed into one.

ineed2pee had me on the fence, but their site's practices scared me off.

hdwetting had one video i coveted and made quality content, but i only really saw what was posted on share sites, and seeing most of them dmca'ed turned me off quickly.

i'm probably not the best person to be surveyed, but bound2burst definitely caught me enough through constant viewing to garner a purchase i normally would be extremely hesitant to make. plus david north is extremely talented in both writing and filming.

it's just good PR, i think. never seen issues with DMCA from him until some yahoo bulk uploaded his stuff to a pay site. he used to just give away videos and stories, which was amazing, and he's just overall really laid back.

when i look at sites like realwetting, hdwetting, somewhat from ineed2pee, i see really hard effort being put against piracy that i just ignore them completely since i can get a hundred other videos with a few more searches, both self-made, looted from dead sites, or just copyrighted content.

the thing that makes me think i'm not a great survey result is that i cycle through videos so often (as i'm sure a lot of people do). i'll watch a video maybe twice, throw it away and come back to it months later at the earliest. and with the prices people charge these days, i'd personally be looking at a fortune spent on pornography if i bought every video i watched, especially when girls do it for free elsewhere.

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I'm not sure what the original argument actually involved, but I think at least part of the idea is that exposure (in the form of free samples, either willingly given or stolen) will tend to drive up sales of your other content... rather than sales of the content given away.  By giving it for free you'll introduce yourself to people who might not otherwise have consumed the content; a percentage of those might, if the idea is planted right, come back and pay for the content anyway because they appreciated it.  But most of your gains would probably be seen spread amongst your other videos, and not on the paid copy of this one.

It's usually also presented coupled with the notion that preventing piracy is an expensive and mostly fruitless pursuit, and therefore not really worth the cost.

I don't really know if this is true or not; I suspect not many people are in a place to know this.  There are so many variables that the results of just about any experiment are almost certain to be indistinguishable from chance.

 

However!  I commend your scientific spirit, and also your willingness to try giving away valued content and see what happens.  I hope it goes well for you, for whatever combination of causes.

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31 minutes ago, TVGuy said:

As for your first point, I am only interested in the results if people know that it is available for free, or they can pay for it.  If someone only finds the free video or only finds the paid video, I don't want them to not be aware of the other option.  For the sake of this experiment, I am okay with the consumer behavior being biased by this knowledge.

In regards to your second point, I agree completely.  However, the argument made regarding piracy was made specifically in the context of wetting fetish videos, not a generic argument about piracy as a whole.  This argument as also been made in the past when the topic comes up, so I figured I would test it.  I figure if there is any merit to this argument, sales of this video should be higher compared to other videos that are not released for free.

Thanks for the explanation- your study now make sense. As you probably know, I've written many stories over the years but I understand it can never be a viable "product". It is not rational to expect people to pay anything significant for my story no matter how great it is. Maybe it's different with videos- I wouldn't know.

I would be surprised if you saw an uptick in sales for this clip versus the usual. I don't necessarily buy the piracy argument at face value, but I do think spin-off potential from an original product is huge. Many, many music bands got discovered as a result of free music on YouTube, Napster, Spotify, etc. This, in turn, allowed them to sell out massive concerts at much higher price growth rates than the inflation rate (I've heard the average concert ticket would cost something like $30 today if extrapolated at inflation from the early 70s) and score huge merchandising deals on top.

As I said, I doubt the sales of this one clip would jump much with an identical free release, but I could see a whole lot more people paying for a live online show with a specific model if they watch enough free clips to become fans. Whether going in this direction is a good option for you is a different research project.

Anyways, interesting study and discussion- kindly post again when you have some results!

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2 minutes ago, fullbladder said:

As I said, I doubt the sales of this one clip would jump much with an identical free release, but I could see a whole lot more people paying for a live online show with a specific model if they watch enough free clips to become fans. Whether going in this direction is a good option for you is a different research project.

this was definitely how it worked for me. i saw so much b2b that i eventually went ahead and bought some that i didn't find online. it took a few years to get to that point, though. and again, i only bought one video.

bands that give away their music on bandcamp usually resonate with me, too, since you mentioned that. if they do enough of that i'll start buying cds and merchandise.

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1 hour ago, Foolishthree said:

I'm not sure what the original argument actually involved, but I think at least part of the idea is that exposure (in the form of free samples, either willingly given or stolen) will tend to drive up sales of your other content... rather than sales of the content given away.  By giving it for free you'll introduce yourself to people who might not otherwise have consumed the content; a percentage of those might, if the idea is planted right, come back and pay for the content anyway because they appreciated it.  But most of your gains would probably be seen spread amongst your other videos, and not on the paid copy of this one.

It's usually also presented coupled with the notion that preventing piracy is an expensive and mostly fruitless pursuit, and therefore not really worth the cost.

I don't really know if this is true or not; I suspect not many people are in a place to know this.  There are so many variables that the results of just about any experiment are almost certain to be indistinguishable from chance.

 

However!  I commend your scientific spirit, and also your willingness to try giving away valued content and see what happens.  I hope it goes well for you, for whatever combination of causes.

I don't disagree with anything you said- And I feel like I do give away a good deal of free content for this very reason.  HD Wetting hosts a free video page with a new free video every day, and I frequently upload content here, as well as on other video sites.

The discussion was fairly specific- The argument that was made to me was that I should give everything away, and if people like it, they would pay given the option.  They were not in favor of any content being protected or reserved for members at all, and that I should welcome any and all piracy.  While I feel that this is likely incorrect, not having any data on the subject, I decided to do this small experiment and see what happens.  At the very least, I hope that I was at least able to release a video that some people will enjoy.

57 minutes ago, CwalkPinoy said:

this was definitely how it worked for me. i saw so much b2b that i eventually went ahead and bought some that i didn't find online. it took a few years to get to that point, though. and again, i only bought one video.

bands that give away their music on bandcamp usually resonate with me, too, since you mentioned that. if they do enough of that i'll start buying cds and merchandise.

As I mentioned above, I do release free content regularly, and for this very reason. Even if people can't pay for HD Wetting right now, I still want to share as much as possible in the hope that I will be able to build a fan base and then, when someone does feel like spending some money on a site, they might choose to give HD Wetting a shot.  However, I do not currently believe that if I were to release everything for free, that this would be of a financial benefit to the site.

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22 hours ago, TVGuy said:

The discussion was fairly specific- The argument that was made to me was that I should give everything away, and if people like it, they would pay given the option. 

oh, hell no. it would work with physical copies like in cd sales, but not digital downloads.

or maybe it would. probably not.

that being said, ima be monitoring the free video page because i'd rather get my content legit XD

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On 11/28/2017 at 10:26 PM, bobbysmithings said:

what are you referencing when you say that?

i can't even remember off the top of my head. just woke up. a VERY offensive dmca policy comes to mind when i think of them, though. they'll let a site curate a ton of content, then send a mile long list of videos that need to be taken down within 24 hours. it gets done, but it's obviously meant to kill the site off.

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TVGuy We checked your webpage and were disappointed when we found out that there was the same video for free for the last few days. A girl in a shower and other one desperate to pee. Is this a bug(maybe intentional to keep old content safe) on the website or our network? 

We highly disagree on the theory presented on piracy. We believe if people are able to find some content free, they will continue to try to find more. While yes, it would give you some publicity which leads to higher sales but a large number of people will be enjoying hard work for free. 

We recently joined "Omarshi" culture and did not expect that these pee video producers had their own websites. We used to think they produced content and Omorashi.org would sell it for them at some commission. We feel we are dumb for someone 21!

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On 12/19/2017 at 8:06 AM, CwalkPinoy said:

i can't even remember off the top of my head. just woke up. a VERY offensive dmca policy comes to mind when i think of them, though. they'll let a site curate a ton of content, then send a mile long list of videos that need to be taken down within 24 hours. it gets done, but it's obviously meant to kill the site off.

well its their right to isn't it? If I found content that was unrightfully uploaded elsewhere I would probably do the same.

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On 12/19/2017 at 6:06 AM, CwalkPinoy said:

i can't even remember off the top of my head. just woke up. a VERY offensive dmca policy comes to mind when i think of them, though. they'll let a site curate a ton of content, then send a mile long list of videos that need to be taken down within 24 hours. it gets done, but it's obviously meant to kill the site off.

I would guess that they aren't letting a site build up a ton of content intentionally.  Rather, they were probably unaware their stuff was being posted and, once they found out, sent a take down notice.  In this case I feel the blame belongs to the site that was relying on pirated content they had no rights to.

18 hours ago, TrueDepression said:

TVGuy We checked your webpage and were disappointed when we found out that there was the same video for free for the last few days. A girl in a shower and other one desperate to pee. Is this a bug(maybe intentional to keep old content safe) on the website or our network? 

We highly disagree on the theory presented on piracy. We believe if people are able to find some content free, they will continue to try to find more. While yes, it would give you some publicity which leads to higher sales but a large number of people will be enjoying hard work for free. 

We recently joined "Omarshi" culture and did not expect that these pee video producers had their own websites. We used to think they produced content and Omorashi.org would sell it for them at some commission. We feel we are dumb for someone 21!

This is probably a bug with the free videos.  I've been working on changing the video player on the site, to better streamline how everything works, and I may have screwed something up somewhere.  There should be a new free video every day.

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On 12/20/2017 at 11:11 PM, bobbysmithings said:

well its their right to isn't it? If I found content that was unrightfully uploaded elsewhere I would probably do the same.

having worked with the asshats that rely on pirated content previously, i can say for certain that in2p constantly monitors their uploads and then drops a payload on them. luckily if your backend is good you won't have much problem.

i'm not sure why they'd want to take legal action against such sites, but the practice is definitely begging for someone to screw up.

i don't keep up with that shit anymore, though. people have a reason to be mad at those sites.

normally what i see with hdwetting though is one video goes up and they're all over your ass for it instantly. same with realwetting.

skymouse will wait a bit then do them in bulk every so often. i definitely prefer these two approaches of going full ham on it or just sending out a notice every once in a while. usually lets you know you need to stop before your site has had the stuff for ages. usually the site blacklists their videos after a dmca request is sent and moderates them automagically.

bound2burst waits for some extreme amount of videos to go up and then says it's time to stop. david's really chill. love the guy.

obviously i haven't been in the market in... a few years, now. but that's what i've seen from various producers.

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17 minutes ago, CwalkPinoy said:

normally what i see with hdwetting though is one video goes up and they're all over your ass for it instantly. same with realwetting.

HD Wetting isn't a they, it is just me.  I've only sent 10 take down notices in the last two years, all of them to sites that were hosting multiple pirated HD Wetting videos.  Before I ever send an officially worded take down notice, I try to reach out to the site and kindly ask them to remove the content, offering up content that I don't mind releasing for free instead.

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On 12/24/2017 at 6:29 PM, TVGuy said:

HD Wetting isn't a they, it is just me.  I've only sent 10 take down notices in the last two years, all of them to sites that were hosting multiple pirated HD Wetting videos.  Before I ever send an officially worded take down notice, I try to reach out to the site and kindly ask them to remove the content, offering up content that I don't mind releasing for free instead.

i'd be one of them lmao. i think i got off the piracy crap 2 years ago, probably longer, now. i remember the email was particularly stern when compared to bound2burst and wettingherpanties. more on par with ineed2pee except you did it within a reasonable time instead of months later in bulk. a good backend really helps with that.

not criticizing the site for its practices. you work fast. that's a good thing.

i definitely see the remains of hdwetting videos that were removed from vk. same with ineed2pee but realwetting is harder to find out in the wild these days. not that their content is very innovative, really. kind of waste of high quality clothing without the scenario, but that's the selling point, as i recall.

there's one hddiaper video in a car an old forum buddy wanted, but i haven't found a copy yet and idk if i wanna buy a sub just for one video for archiving purposes. even the hub didn't have it, and they got a ton of your stuff. not that i use it anymore. was banned cause some 4chan thread got caught in my share folder.

by "they" i refer to the studio and their models. plus its just a pronoun i use for any business regardless of number of members as a formality.

also this hang up video is pretty good. had it on cycle for a few weeks and now the song gives me PTSD. not in a bad way, of course. but hearing it on a sargon of akkad video had me look longingly at my bed.

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2 minutes ago, bobbysmithings said:

@TVGuy kinda off topic, but do you plan to re-upload videos to clips4sale in the future? I noticed you had in the past. Or are you just sticking to whats hosted on your site?

Right now I have no plans to upload more content to clips4sale.  In the past I feel that I tried to do too many things, my own membership sites, clips4sale, my own clips store (fetishvidstore.net.) and it was all just too time consuming.  Rather than try to keep up with all these various platforms, I am trying to stay focused on producing the best content that I can, which right now I only plan on releasing exclusively through HD Wetting and HD Diapers. 

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Thank you for the video.

That said, I believe your experiment is doomed for failure.  The effects from content availability can't be measured from a single video, but instead affect the overall interest in something. Having good free samples out there, which you really do (yay daily free vids), builds interest in your overall product. But anything out there that exists for free in whole will be more consumed than it's paid version if it's the same.

You'd ideally want to look at your historical subscription rate, and adjust for any recent trends(to account for effects from other promotions) to see any impact from a promotion like this, but I'm afraid this site is just too small a sample size to really say anything.

 

That's the tricky thing with free stuff. Consumption is always higher, muddling the ability to see the difference between "would have paid but got it free" and  "never would pay".

Though honestly you put good enough samples out that I wouldn't expect much change.

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