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I don't know if anyone here as the same issue but even without holding I got painfull UTI every 2-3 months even when following the usual advices (drink 1,5 - 1 L a day, pee after sex, cranberry juice, etc...) I'm more a watcher than a wetter but I do enjoy a little hold sometimes.

I actually plan on doing a 16h hold on Monday but I have to be extra carefull if I don't want another cystisis. So here's what I do before, during and after : 

My last hold was 6 days ago, since then I just letted my bladder rest and drank normally. 

Today and tomorrow I'm drinking a little bit more than usual, 3 mugs of tea or coffee a day and go to the bathroom as often as needed. 

This week-end, I will do the same and also make sure I'm not constipated. I want to avoid having too many bacteria staying in my bowels for a long time.

I will go to the toilet before going to bed on Sunday night, drink a glass of water just before sleeping since I can't sleep if my bladder is full. 

On Monday morning, I will check if I feel any pain or burning sensation, if so, the hold is canceled. If not, I will just continue my day and drink normally. If I feel the need to poop, I won't hold both and the hold is also canceled. If not, I will make an effort to not be inpatient and enjoy the hold and relief ! (I'm not into wetting but if I do, I avoid staying in wet clothes/diaper for too long because after a while bacterias grow rapidly and I don't want plenty of them near my short urethra.) 

Then I'll drink a lot of water and green tea (the best diuretic for me) and empty my bladder as soon as I feel the need to until the night, always checking if I'm not peeing blood.

No hold at all the next 3 days, and only fast desperation holds for 1 month. 

In my everyday life, I also avoid holding if not necessary. Since I have a weak immune system I go to the doctor when the 1rst signs of an UTI show to avoid any kidney damage. If you are the same and got any tips I'll be glad to know about them ! Cystisis are common in my family, every woman got one once or twice a year. 

 

Of course I will post a video and comment my hold later but not in this topic ! 

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Kinda feel like this could be in the advice section but thats ok

Are you sexually active? and if not do you use sex toys? before i was sexually active i got my first uti from my vibrators, if you are sexually active and wanna try to have a less chance of a UTI, here is my advice, since after my first sexual interaction i have done this because i got a mild uti, and we also did omo play.

Wash your genitals before and after sex with either a cleansing wipe or just normal body wash soap, or vagisil, i do this before and after intercourse so it will clear out any bacteria that could back up in your vagina, i read about this and i haven't had a problem since. Also, coffee while having a uti is bad, just stick to water and cranberry juice and go to the bathroom constantly. 

You basically have the right idea, if you feel any pain while peeing, don't do a hold, you shouldn't really do a hold until you are 100% sure it's cleared up

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You shouldn't get a UTI from holding alone. Holding can make an already infected UTI worse as it could ascend the ureters and into the kidney, but just holding your pee wouldn't cause a UTI. What CAN cause UTI's in either gender, though more likely in women, is stopping and starting the stream, as it can allow bacteria into the urethra and thus the bladder. It's possible wetting could cause a UTI, but only likely if you hang out in the peed in clothes for a long time, or if they were already dirty.

Other common sources are sexual intercourse, sex toys, and pubic hair shaving (this last one is pretty much women only, as a guy shaving there doesn't even come close to the urethra, of course).  Basically, bacteria won't just appear in the bladder because you're holding, and unless you have a bad infection, there shouldn't be bacteria in your urine at all before you void. Thus, holding alone doesn't really cause infection. If there is some reason bacteria is enterring your urethra, I suppose holding on longer would exacerbate that as you aren't voiding? But bacteria in the urine is abnormal.

 

Edit: This is not to say you should hold if you already have a UTI. That is a bad idea, I'm only saying that it would not *cause* one under normal circumstances.

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10 hours ago, Brittanybunny said:

Kinda feel like this could be in the advice section but thats ok

Are you sexually active? and if not do you use sex toys? before i was sexually active i got my first uti from my vibrators, if you are sexually active and wanna try to have a less chance of a UTI, here is my advice, since after my first sexual interaction i have done this because i got a mild uti, and we also did omo play.

Wash your genitals before and after sex with either a cleansing wipe or just normal body wash soap, or vagisil, i do this before and after intercourse so it will clear out any bacteria that could back up in your vagina, i read about this and i haven't had a problem since. Also, coffee while having a uti is bad, just stick to water and cranberry juice and go to the bathroom constantly. 

You basically have the right idea, if you feel any pain while peeing, don't do a hold, you shouldn't really do a hold until you are 100% sure it's cleared up

I don't use any sex toy and I'm not really sexually active right now since I I don't live in the same country as my partner anymore, but yes when I am I wash carefully with some special soap my gynecologist prescribed me, since normal soap can be too agressive and kill the good bacteria. Thank  you I'll remember this if I feel like using any sex toy ! Don't worry I don't drink coffee while being sick, I just do it in my everyday life because for me it helps to prevent potential constipation ! 

5 hours ago, LOLC2k said:

You shouldn't get a UTI from holding alone. Holding can make an already infected UTI worse as it could ascend the ureters and into the kidney, but just holding your pee wouldn't cause a UTI. What CAN cause UTI's in either gender, though more likely in women, is stopping and starting the stream, as it can allow bacteria into the urethra and thus the bladder. It's possible wetting could cause a UTI, but only likely if you hang out in the peed in clothes for a long time, or if they were already dirty.

Other common sources are sexual intercourse, sex toys, and pubic hair shaving (this last one is pretty much women only, as a guy shaving there doesn't even come close to the urethra, of course).  Basically, bacteria won't just appear in the bladder because you're holding, and unless you have a bad infection, there shouldn't be bacteria in your urine at all before you void. Thus, holding alone doesn't really cause infection. If there is some reason bacteria is enterring your urethra, I suppose holding on longer would exacerbate that as you aren't voiding? But bacteria in the urine is abnormal.

I never stop my stream because it feels too good ! I've read about Kegel exercises but never bothered to try it. I planned to make a video with some stopping mid-stream, I guess I'll have to be super carefull after and drink enough to clean any bacteria after that...

Well, I'm a special case since my immune systeme is kinda non effective that's why I get cystisis from holds only. And they turn into kidney infection abnormally fast too. Bacteria are able to go in my urethra without being killed so I have to pee frequently to get them out before the reach my bladder. I also got an already damaged urethra, which doesn't help. Normal people shoudn't get one that easily ! 

1 minute ago, Flower said:

I'm 30 and I've never had a uti in my life. Am I just lucky? 

Some people just never get any and that's a good thing ! You're healthy and drink enough.

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One thing I always make sure of when doing holds is to continually be drinking water throughout it, regardless of anything else I drink.  Like just always having some water next to me and drinking some of it every now and then, so that I'm consistently hydrated.  I tend to hold for quite a long time, and I hold semi-often, but I've never had to worry about UTIs.

Only 1 - 1.5L of water per day seems like such a small amount to me...I think I usually drink about double that, honestly.  But then maybe I just need more water than most people.

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17 minutes ago, Limey Weasel said:

Only 1 - 1.5L of water per day seems like such a small amount to me...I think I usually drink about double that, honestly.  But then maybe I just need more water than most people.

I'm very tiny (like a 12 years old child) so 1,5-2L is enough for me if it's not hot and if I don't exercise. Sometimes I force myself to drink more but it doesn't change anything honestly. My bladder fills super slowly and I get impatient quickly so ironically I drink more when doing holds beause I don't want to wait hours and hours to feel desperate ! 

UTIs are more common for girls since our urethra is shorter tho.

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You can't really avoid getting a UTI, if you get it you get it.

Most common causes are things like wiping incorrectly after using the bathroom, using unclean sex toys, not cleaning up after sexual activity (solo or otherwise).

A UTI is where foreign bacteria gets into your urethra... bodily fluids is the most common reason. So I'd advise against sitting in clothes after doing leaks if you get UTI infections often. 

The two UTIs I've had were from sex toys. So yeah it's down to just understanding your body and working out why you get them if you do, and using preventative measures.

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Just now, Ashi said:

The two UTIs I've had were from sex toys. So yeah it's down to just understanding your body and working out why you get them if you do, and using preventative measures.

I don't use sextoys but your the second person to mention them, I will keep that in mind if I plan on buying some ! I doubt I will since I don't get any pleasure from my lady parts but who knows...

I have a shitty body that falls apart anyway, UTIs are just one of my many issues.

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18 minutes ago, Adrian6970wc said:

I think caution is always advisable and you're right to build up gently tp what you're doing.  Although there are good reasons for not drinking too much water in order to avoid salt/mineral depletion, I think drinking water in connection with a hold is preferable to other liquids if you have a propensity to UTIs.  

Ah yes thank you for mentioning it, I forgot about sodium depletion, it's the most common problem when you drink too much !

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7 hours ago, Flower said:

I'm 30 and I've never had a uti in my life. Am I just lucky? 

Not necessarily. A lot of UTI's come from the sources I mentioned, if you avoid them or are smart about them (clean the sex toys, don't have unprotected sex with a zillion partners, are careful shaving the labia or don't shave the labia, wipe correctly, and don't incompletely void), most people with an average immune system will avoid them. For guys, really only the sex and incomplete voiding are the risk factors for most of them. And BPH as they get older, though that falls under the "incomplete voiding" backflow problem, really.

Just being a holder doesn't really increase the risk for most people, though the OP seems to be an exception if she normally has bacteria in her bladder.

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11 minutes ago, LOLC2k said:

Just being a holder doesn't really increase the risk for most people, though the OP seems to be an exception if she normally has bacteria in her bladder.

Not in my bladder but the normal bacteria we have on our skin can crawl up my urethra without being killed (shitty immune systeme) so I have to pee frequently to get them out. That's why I didn't put this in the "advice" section, what's works for me doesn't always work for other, and vice versa ! 

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8 minutes ago, LOLC2k said:

Not necessarily. A lot of UTI's come from the sources I mentioned, if you avoid them or are smart about them (clean the sex toys, don't have unprotected sex with a zillion partners, are careful shaving the labia or don't shave the labia, wipe correctly, and don't incompletely void), most people with an average immune system will avoid them. For guys, really only the sex and incomplete voiding are the risk factors for most of them. And BPH as they get older, though that falls under the "incomplete voiding" backflow problem, really.

Just being a holder doesn't really increase the risk for most people, though the OP seems to be an exception if she normally has bacteria in her bladder.

This is not entirely accurate. Just having regular sex with a completely-"usual" partner can cause UTIs for some women. "Honeymoon cystitis" is even the "cute" little name given for UTIs that develop after couples go on their honeymoon - because they end up having a lot of sex which. :) Mayo Clinic even says that up to 50% of women will experience a UTI in her lifetime - with many women having regular or recurrent UTIs. 

UTIs just happen sometimes. They suck, but they're relatively-easily treated (assuming you don't have issues with antibiotics or affording healthcare). For most people, they're really not the "scary boogeyman" that I see them made out to be on the forums relatively often. 

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Ah, fair enough on that point. Having sex in general, even protected, is a risk factor for women. Unprotected and multiple partners opens up a different slew of possible UTIs, but yeah, one can force bacteria into the urethra via sex even protected and even with a stable, uninfected partner.

Still wouldn't say not having one is exceptionally lucky, but they are pretty easy to get.

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2 minutes ago, girliegirl765 said:

This is not entirely accurate. Just having regular sex with a completely-"usual" partner can cause UTIs for some women. "Honeymoon cystitis" is even the "cute" little name given for UTIs that develop after couples go on their honeymoon - because they end up having a lot of sex which. :) Mayo Clinic even says that up to 50% of women will experience a UTI in her lifetime - with many women having regular or recurrent UTIs. 

UTIs just happen sometimes. They suck, but they're relatively-easily treated (assuming you don't have issues with antibiotics or affording healthcare). For most people, they're really not the "scary boogeyman" that I see them made out to be on the forums relatively often. 

Yes, my mom is not doing anything wrong and still got them every year for apparently no reason ! I get the "honeymoon" ones quite often no matter how well I clean and stay hydrated and it's very annoying ! The shitty thing about UTIs is that they are painfull ! I feel like I'm peeing needles.

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I forgot one thing, holds only CAN cause UTIs. As I said before, normaly, bacteria are not supposed to go to the urethra but sometimes they do, even if you're an healthy person.  Holding our urine for 6 hours or more may make UTIs more common, as your urine sit in your bladder for a long time, growing bacteria. That's the reason why doctors recommend avoiding long holds to women who tend to get a lot. Drinking a lot and urinating regularly flush away the bacteria who try to crawl up the urethra.

 

I got my first at 6 years old, was whipping my butt right because that's how I learned it and wasn't questionning it, obviously never shaved neither had sexual intercourse, never wet and my mom made sure I changed my underwear every day. This was the year the toilet doors of our grade school got broken and most girls avoided using them because some kids liked to open them when we were inside. It was a quite painless cystisis but with fever and a bloated belly. The doctor told me to stop holding all day without getting into details. Years later I got the same recommendation by the specialists since they didn't find any abnormality. I also stopped wearing Nylon underwear since they can trap moisture, creating the perfect environment for bacteria growth. Some hormone shift could lead to a change in normal bacteria in your vagina and increase the risk too.

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11 hours ago, Ely said:

I don't use sextoys but your the second person to mention them, I will keep that in mind if I plan on buying some ! I doubt I will since I don't get any pleasure from my lady parts but who knows...

I have a shitty body that falls apart anyway, UTIs are just one of my many issues.

you don't get pleasure? that may be a lack of libido in your system

also another thing i forgot, when you have a uti, don't wipe from back to front, wipe front to back when you pee, itll prevent more bacteria from getting in your urethra when you are infected

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4 minutes ago, Brittanybunny said:

you don't get pleasure? that may be a lack of libido in your system

also another thing i forgot, when you have a uti, don't wipe from back to front, wipe front to back when you pee, itll prevent more bacteria from getting in your urethra when you are infected

I do have a libido, but it's kind of complicated. Anyway that's not the topic ! ^^ I know about the wipe thing, that's how I learned it as a child !

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12 hours ago, Ely said:

I don't use sextoys but your the second person to mention them, I will keep that in mind if I plan on buying some ! I doubt I will since I don't get any pleasure from my lady parts but who knows...

I have a shitty body that falls apart anyway, UTIs are just one of my many issues.

probably another thing is don't wear underwear to bed, your genitals need to breath during the night at least. especially with a uti, also have you tried cranberry supplements?

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Interesting (to me only) that you found advice to go no more than 6 hours between pees.  My non-medical view:

The year before I first attended college a girl at the college died from not getting treatment for a UTI in time..

1.  The bladder fills linearly (as a very rough approximation).  Bacteria grow exponentially.  In a simple computer simulation I wrote (crudely), bacteria counts decreased when the bladder emptied at less than 6-hour intervals.  Bacteria increased when the bladder held for more than 6 hours.  The simulation used only residual urine after a pee, filling rate and bacterial growth rate--no secondary factors.  It also assumed the bacteria always grow at their maximum rate--also not realistic.  The simulation hints at the following notions, which are most likely medically incorrect.  But maybe a knowledgeable person will be motivated to correct these items.

2.  To obtain best bladder emptying, double void.  If you won't have a chance for the second pee, try to restart after the pee stops.  The urinary sphincter opening and closing may work some additional pee into the bladder neck.

3.  Presumably frequent day pees reduce the bacterial count that builds up over night.  A person who returns to sleep easily can keep a chamber pot near the bed.

4.  If subject to UTIs don't do holds longer than necessary.  Hydrate within reason with a goal of urgency within 4 hours or less.

5.  If you have high risk for UTIs or other urinary issues and a doctor you can talk to, do talk to your doctor about holds.

6.  If something has put you at rick for a UTI, and circumstances permit, pee every 2 to 4 hours.  Don't wait for your bladder to signal.

BTW, to me peeing with a UTI fees like peeing razor blades.

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7 hours ago, girliegirl765 said:

Underwear wearing to bed should make zero difference in uti occurrence unless your underwear is dirty, or covered in bacteria or fecal matter. 

However, if you were concerned about *yeast infections *, underwear wearing and breathability may be a factor. 

I sleep naked, so no problem here but interesting, my doctor never talked about it !

6 hours ago, Stanley79 said:

Interesting (to me only) that you found advice to go no more than 6 hours between pees.  My non-medical view:

The year before I first attended college a girl at the college died from not getting treatment for a UTI in time..

Oh my god, this is so sad ! I got warned too after my first kidney infection. That's why I'm being very carefull.

6 hours ago, Stanley79 said:

5.  If you have high risk for UTIs or other urinary issues and a doctor you can talk to, do talk to your doctor about holds.

BTW, to me peeing with a UTI fees like peeing razor blades.

Well, my doctor was clear about it : do not hold unless it's necessary. Luckily, I do not have significant resisual urine (not visible at all when passing a cystography at least) or any bladder malformation.

Same here, damn sh*t hurts like hell ! (I heard sometimes it can be painless with other symptoms tho)

1 hour ago, Flower said:

I don't hold often but I drink enough water per day. Female friends of mine complain about getting them and I just dont

That's a good thing, seriously, nobody wants that. My sister got one in her entire life and she drinks less than 1L a day, some people tend to get them easier than others.

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